4x4 trail from Afriski to Amphitheatre

30 Sep 2010 12:12 #1823 by mike
Replied by mike on topic Re: 4x4's on the Amphitheatre
That is utter disrespect of our enviroment!
If you read the previous discussion on climb.co.za (Drakensberg World Hertiage Site)it shows a letter sent to the 4x4 community in regard to this matter and that any unauthorised vehicular access is in contravention of the law.

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30 Sep 2010 12:29 - 30 Sep 2010 12:33 #1824 by intrepid
Thanks for the update gollum. I've joined the other thread and also requested specifics of where exactly the pic was taken.

If they are driving on the old bridle path over the Lekhalo-la-Namahadi they are technically not breaking laws they can be prosecuted for, but as soon as they walk (or drive) from there over the boundary near the falls, then its an illegal entry in the the UDP-WHS. Cant quite make out from the pics if they are on the plains of the Khubedu or on the Namahadi Pass side.

As soon as I have more detail on the location, I'll pass it on to KZN Wildlife, Bergwatch and the MCSA.

PS: I've merged this with the previous thread on this topic. See also this:
www.vertical-endeavour.com/blog/73-drakensberg/environment/120-four-by-four-trips-to-udp-whs-escarpment.html

Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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30 Sep 2010 14:38 - 30 Sep 2010 14:39 #1826 by intrepid
These latest pics are around the source of Tugela.

Cyndi Jonker from Bergwatch reckons this is happening regularly, and its just because of the burnt grass that it is now visible. They come over the ridge between Mt-Aux-Sources running towards the Lekhalo-la-Namahadi, over the ridge behind Crows Nest and down into the Bilanjil valley to the escarpment edge.

KZN Wildlife have been informed and will investigate.

Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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01 Oct 2010 10:07 #1835 by SeriousTribe2
Based on the reply from EKZN, it appears that these individuals can be prosecuted.

Heros must boast, and fortunately do so by posting pictures of their exploits on their websites. It is my observation that most of thes pictures include number plates and full face shots of smiling ignorami.

I am fairly certain that photographic evidence, as well as written accounts, are evidence enough.

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01 Oct 2010 10:23 - 01 Oct 2010 10:23 #1836 by gollum
@intrepid: Ack, sorry for causing you trouble! I should have simply continued this thread. Thanks for the merge, though.

@st2: Good idea! I'll have my staff at Google keep their eyes peeled for evidence :P pretty sure we will find something...
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01 Oct 2010 10:56 #1838 by intrepid
@gollum: no hassle at all, just my call as a moderator. Any case its much more important to use the forum frequently and freely than worry about what thread may or may not already exist.

Ja, go for it guys, send any reports to Stephen Richerts (manager of RNNP - see contact details here ), especially if you are on the Amphitheatre at the time. I got a similar reply from him yesterday to the one on ClimbZA.

We could also start a Facebook campaign to spread awareness?

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01 Oct 2010 12:48 - 01 Oct 2010 13:10 #1841 by tiska
I have to say I felt ill when I read about the latest evidence of people driving to the escarpment edge.

I find it hard to believe that these trips are independent of the lodges in Lesotho. Whereas targeting individuals who take their 4x4s to the escarpment is going to be like weeding a big garden, a focus on the lodge(s) might be more fruitful. Negative publicity would hurt their business. Of course evidence that they were complicit would be necessary.
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26 Oct 2010 07:22 - 26 Oct 2010 12:21 #1943 by intrepid
Looking at some of the latest replies on the ClimbZA thread and also on this one from the 4x4 community site, I see a lot of finger-pointing and stand-off between the 4x4 community and the hiking & climbing community. This is unfortunate. I do agree with certain voices on these threads, that these communities should actually be allies, and that together we can achieve a lot more for conservation. It is great to see that many of the 4x4 community do not support 4x4 trips to the escarpment. And we shouldn't forget that some in the hiking and climbing community are also at fault for harming the environment. When it comes to the Amphitheatre and the Chain Ladders, the rubbish left by visitors is undeniable, unacceptable and embarrassing. Perhaps, just as much as we might consider those who litter there to be ignorant and selfish, and not true hikers, many in the 4x4 community may think that about those driving to the Amphitheatre.

The issue here should not be about which community is holier (because neither really is). The issue here is that 4x4's should not be on the escarpment. And where there is sufficient agreement and co-operation between the communities, we can do something about it.

As a side note, the idea by some that these tracks could have been a fire truck is ridiculous. Such a vehicle would never be sent to the escarpment edge to fight a blaze, and even if it did, it would take a ridiculously long time to get there - first through Lesotho and up Moteng Pass, and then several hours across difficult terrain - the idea is totally unrealistic. It should also be noted that the authorities were not surprised when the latest pictures surfaced on ClimbZA. They already knew this to be an ongoing problem. This isn't about a once-off event that happened recently. It is an ongoing problem and they have received several reports about it.

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26 Oct 2010 15:34 #1950 by SeriousTribe2
Well put Intrepid.

It is a sad fact that in all communities there are those; always a minority, who think that it is their right and privilege to do as they please with the environment.
Recently a good number of Professional Hunters (with decent money already) have been convicted of, or implicated in, the poaching of OUR Rhino. Are we to immediately assume that all PH's are rabid poachers, out to decimate OUR natural heritage?

It is these few who damage the reputation of the majority.
Thus the ban on beach driving in the 4x4 community (although that seems to have moved a bit north now), and the razor wire closure of some of the caves within the Drakensberg complex, that contain a pictoral history that will never again be repeated.

As Intrepid says, the blame falls on both sides of the shed [irony intended].
As has been quite rightly pointed out, on some of the 4x4 forums, that the litter and excrement at the top of the Tugela can not be attributed to them.

Finger pointing, blame laying and mud slinging will not solve the problem. Many of us who are hikers, own and use 4x4's.

The method here is simple, and universal to both parties.
If a hiker observes a fellow hiker littering willfully, or acting in an unacceptable fashion, approach tactfully and question the motive, it may be innocent inexperience and may be solved through a non-violent discussion(and I am being lenient here on the litter issue, because throwing it anywhere anytime, other than where you are supposed to, is abhorent to me).
Take photographs if the offender is unrepentant.
Do the same with observations of 4x4's in places where they should not be.
Ultimately though, do not cause agressive confrontation. Good photographic evidence is all that is needed.
[Having once been involved with a 4x4 training academy I can state with experience that trying to teach, tell or suggest to a South African Male how to drive his 4x4 is going to lead to an argument in 90% of cases.]

The greater evil exists in the majority not taking some form of action that will make this minority accountable. So whether it be hiker or driver, document and report it.

That said, it is obvious from the written and photographic accounts on some of the 4x4 forums that these forays are by 4xfundis, originating from a clear point [but possibly not organised by the owners of said point]. GPS co-ords are given and available. None of the noble vehicles appeared to be a fire truck.
The damage ONE set of tires, on a return trip in good weather, will make on this kind of landscape can take years to heal.
If the 4x4 community wish to avoid further restrictions, then their governing bodies, and responsible drivers need to stop trying to blame others, face the [photographic] facts and deal with their morons.
Be assured that the mountain community will deal with ours.

As mentioned previously to Intrepid, it is a pleasure to be part of an online community that rationally discusses issues, and shares ideas and places, without the usual nastiness that most forums seem to attract. The congratulations for that goes to all who are a part here, don't let it be undermined by other community personalities.

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29 Oct 2010 15:04 - 29 Oct 2010 15:04 #1983 by intrepid
SeriousTribe2 wrote:

As mentioned previously to Intrepid, it is a pleasure to be part of an online community that rationally discusses issues, and shares ideas and places, without the usual nastiness that most forums seem to attract. The congratulations for that goes to all who are a part here, don't let it be undermined by other community personalities.

I fully agree and appreciate that about this community. We all been part of creating that, and we can all nurture that ongoingly.

Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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