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TOPIC: Backpacks

Backpacks 08 Mar 2011 17:20 #2531

why is it one can never quite find what you want...?
Anyway i am looking for a Deuter ATC light 65+10, cape union have the brand here in South Africa but don't bring in this particular model, they do the air contact 65+10 which is almost twice the weight.

Does anyone know of a reputable online shop where i can buy this bag,and what their delivery times are like?

Does anybody have one of these bags that can give me some feedback.
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Backpacks 09 Mar 2011 06:37 #2535

Had the same issue, went with what I could get, the air contact 65 + 10. Haven't done any GTs etc but have uve used it quite a bit. Its been fine, fits what I need, feels good and is comfortable to wear. No complaints. There is generally a serious lack of choice in SA shops though!
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Backpacks 09 Mar 2011 15:35 #2543

Hi anthony & Errol, I own a Deuter 75L + 10 & it's an awsome pack. Heavier than the atc I suppose, but worth every sent. Only done 4 day hikes with it, but I'm sure it'll handle a GT as well.

I'm with you on the "serious lack of choice in SA" issue.

Try ebay for such items.

I've seen a Vango Spirit 200 on there for 160 Pounds. That's like R1800 as compared to the R3600 you'll be paying in SA. HUGE difference & might be worth while to check out even when considering shipping & taxes. If you know someone across, even better...
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Backpacks 10 Mar 2011 06:23 #2547

Deuter are great! I've been using ACT Lite 45+10 for several years. Can fit a lot into it, even for multi-day trips. Have even done a 4 day winter hike with it, though the packing did get a little tight then with the extra gear. Can even fit climbing gear into it for short summer trips. And it's a light, robust pack. As a result, one of my Berg-buddies now uses the same model, and three others have various sizes of the Air Contact. I would definitely stick to the ACT Lite.

I would demand better service from your Cape Union branch and get them to order what you want, or send it in from another branch. Not sure that there is another Deuter agent in SA.
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Backpacks 29 Apr 2011 20:34 #2773

I have been having issues trying to explain to new hikers coming with me to the Berg the importance of making a backpack as light as possible, apparently they don't catch the difference that the 200 gram book they are currently reading makes over a 2 or 3 day hike (they also don't seem to realise that they will be so tired that they will not want to read it, or the fact that they may alert locals to our possition by reading it at night). After discovering that 3 guys in a group of 4 (me being the 4th) had brought custard and a full packet of melie meal on a 2 day hike up Langalibalele Pass, and then persisted to complain about how heavy their packs were (and insist that the tent which we will all sleep in is entirely my problem to carry), I have come up with a new device to illustrate the actual effects of 200 grams on a backpack. I call it the tons per hour ratio.

The assumption is that a fairly slow hiker will walk just over 3 kms in 1 hour, taking about 3 steps per metre and therefore say 10 000 steps per hour. Every gram in a pack is lifted and dropped by each footstep taken and therefore every gram carried needs to be multiplied by 10 000 to get its weight per hour. On this assumption, a 200 gram book will add 2 tons per hour to a backpack (that is a scary thought!). So basically carrying that book in a backpack on a day when 12km of hiking happens is the same amount of work as taking 4 hours to move a 1 ton car 2 footsteps from where you started, by actually picking it up and moving it! And thats before you take into account the fact that your backpack itself probably weighs about 2.5kgs!

I plan to test this explanation next time I plan a hike, this after having just failed to climb Popple Peak on my 3rd attempt this year after having a group of 2 people and the other guy not being nearly as fit as I thought (the plan having been go from Giant's Castle camp to Judge pass, camp there on night 1, climb the pass on day 2, climb Popple and the Judge, come down Corner pass, camp at the base and walk back to the car park on day 3, it ended up being hike to Bannerman Hut, climb the Bannerman Pass on day 2, turn around at the top due to taking too long to get up the pass (4h30 to climb a 3km pass is not acceptable, neither is the 5h to get back down!) and spend night 2 back in the hut, fortunately we said in the mountain register that we may use Bannerman Pass in an emergency, so they might have looked for us there if something went wrong)...
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Re: Backpacks 03 May 2011 11:50 #2784

I agree with you. The weight of your back pack is very important and I like the way you have rationally worked it out. I saw two youngsters at Cobham recentley head out with very heavy backpacks. They were very eager to stuff as much as they could in their packs and they bragged at who's was heavier and I had to chuckle. They had big smiles on their faces as they ventured out but those would have turned to grimaces after about 10 Km. I really wanted to help them but felt they should learn the hard way as I did many years ago.
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Re: Backpacks 03 May 2011 14:22 #2787

I recently bought a 45l pack...did a packing test run at home and reckon I'm good for a good 2-3 day berg trip...It forces you to only take what you need and think carefully about food and clothing. Now all I need is a trip to test it :-). @ghaznavid...your "tons per hour" device is a gem!!
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Re: Backpacks 05 May 2011 22:53 #2810

Don't forget to add the 6-8kg of camera gear. That tends to require a slightly bigger pack, i usually use a 65l pack, then i can pack the camera and other gear away when it starts to pour.
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Re: Backpacks 06 May 2011 05:42 #2812

Ok so lets hear it. What would you guys say your average backpack weight is? Mine usually ranges from 16.5kg - 18.5kg
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Re: Backpacks 06 May 2011 06:53 #2813

Mine was 19kg when we did the Sentinel to Cathedral hike (65liter), my wifes one was about 11kg (38 liter). I will definitely be leaving a few things I took that trip ... need lighter sleeping bags ...
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