VE climbing Honours Roll

19 Apr 2016 15:39 #67893 by Viking
This will be the thread to discuss the potential of a VE climbing award/challenge/honours-list as proposed in the Godbold Award thread.

Some points to consider:
Structure - award, challenge, honours-roll or other?
Name?
Peaks or Routes?
Number of peaks/routes?
Classic routes or "big" routes?
How you get on the list? After completing all peaks or do you add your name to each peak as you complete it?

Hopefully all the berg climbers on the forum will add their input. Input from non-climbers is also welcome.

And discuss...............

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19 Apr 2016 16:08 #67894 by Macc
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can I just add, if there are any particular rules that you think we need please add them

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19 Apr 2016 16:55 #67895 by AndrewP
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How about people list the names of peaks they have summited, with date, route name and who they climbed with. That in itself will be an interesting read, although a far cry short of the complete picture.

Maybe add in extra tit-bits depending on situation. Neil and Intrepid climbing a new peak, Inner Mnweni Needle, Mponjwane and Column in rapid succession is an example.
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19 Apr 2016 18:13 #67896 by intrepid
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I like the idea of a list of classic free-standers. Ideally the role for who has climbed all in the list should be fully back-dateable, and open to anyone who cares to be acknowledged on this forum. It may mean that the list is incomplete however, due to history, and I guess this is where a set back-date becomes more useful. The free-standers on the Godbold Award are all really good. I could nominate additional peaks like South Ifidi which is fun and popular to a degree, and peaks like Cathkin and Sterkhorn for their significance in the history of Berg climbing (Sterkhorn was supposedly the first technical peak to be summitted in the Berg).

I also like the idea of a list of pinnacle-like peaks which are a hard climb, like F3+. The "big three" would definitely be Tooth, Column and Western Trip. To that both the Mnweni Pinnacles should also belong since they are often overlooked, but they are hard, long and serious peaks. Definitely something I've aspired to in my personal goals. North Ifidi could also be part of such a list. There are others, but not as well known.

There are "lesser" options too like a "hairy list" to which the likes of Sentinel SE Arete , Monks Cowl Not So Auto, Western Trip from the escarpment and North Ifidi could be added. Also a list of good, classic routes which are fun and reasonable climbing in themselves (and which are not necessarily classic peaks), these could be Angus-Leppan, Eastern Buttress SE Arete, Mponjwane S Route, Rhino Eastern Arete, Giant's Castle Scholes route, Hoopers Route on the Bell etc. The issue with these is the very small number of people that would actually do them. I mention them just as possibilities.

I haven't really thought of what the award could be before, but off the top of my head it could be something like a piton, say the good old Lost Arrow type, which is engraved. This would be an ideal award for a harder list. The costs could be covered by the other climbers who acknowledge the one getting it.

These are some of my thoughts for now, though incomplete.

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19 Apr 2016 19:43 #67900 by ghaznavid
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I like what Intrepid said - recognise the really big free standing peaks. How about peaks like Icidi Pencil? What about the really big non-famous free-standers? E.g. Sandleni Pinnacle, Minaret, King Kong, Thumb etc.

I rate a % required style list is better suited to these awards. E.g. for JHB people to get to a peak like Rhino is difficult, and certain peaks benefit certain climbers over others.

I also rate recognition of multiple awards would be good - e.g. the "Tealess" award - Lionheart, Eastern Buttress, Tooth, Toothpick, 3 Inner Towers and Sentinel in under 48 hours, or the "Cowl" award for bagging Not-So-Auto, Cowl Standard Route and Barry's Route.

Is it possible to have a badge section on people's VE profiles? Not sure if anyone on the site is on Sporcle (a highly addictive online quiz site), but I am thinking something like that. Perhaps also not only recognition for climbing - e.g. 50 passes, 100 khulus, completed GTs in both directions etc.

A first ascent club could also be fun.

Ok - now that the 2c of the guy whose hardest redpoint is Adam's Apoplexy has been thrown in, actual climbers can continue their discussion :laugh:

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19 Apr 2016 19:54 - 20 Apr 2016 08:16 #67903 by Viking
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Those are some excellent points so far. Thanks!

I would like to see Andrew's suggestion as a separate idea, we could even use it to build the list in the "award".
It could start off as a normal thread and then once it has settled, we can compile a compact, complete list of all peaks climbed by VE members. I suppose this would lean more towards a wiki style page.

I don't see the need for a set back-date. Anyone who is on VE can be a part of it whether they climbed the peak yesterday or 30 years ago. (imho)
I also don't think we have to have an actual award or anything monetary based but I do like the piton idea. Not the golden piton but "the rusty piton"!

Perhaps a slightly longer list than the Godbold, maybe 15 peaks - focusing on the free-standers, with some of the harder peaks included. Then possibly a two-tiered recognition system like for example Gold for all peaks climbed and Silver for a certain percentage of the peaks.

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21 Apr 2016 08:48 #67925 by JayWalker
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I think its an awesom idea...from what i've seen there are definitely a few seasoned hikers here and this would be a fantastic way for us to see who has done what...personally i'm just happy if i make it up the stairs without tripping....lololol.
Good initiative and look forward to see everyones input.

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21 Apr 2016 11:53 #67926 by Macc
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Viking wrote: "the rusty piton"

Possible award name??

I like the 'Gold, Silver, Bronze' award status idea. Makes it more attainable for various skill/bravery levels.

I've been toying between one list/award or numerous list/awards...both ideas with their pros and cons. Multiple lists allows us to target individual parts of the berg, or ranges, or difficulties, etc however it takes away a lot of the grandness of a single award. Best 'solution' I've come up with so far is to have 1 actual award - like the Godbold - and then have a section of climbing challenges - You set a challenge by starting a thread under the challenges heading, for example climb all the peaks in the Cathedral range, and then who ever has done it or does do it simply says so on the thread.

The one actual award though should be fairly 'prestigious' if it can be. The kind of thing people want to put effort in to achieve. Something that would make someone drive from CPT just to bag that last peak in order to get their name on the board. This would, I guess, require some 'place of honour' on the website's layout, so it doesn't get lost in the pile of old threads.

Above all I believe this awards number one purpose is to promote berg climbing.

As far as back dating goes...as long as you can prove it, even if just to yourself, then it shouldn't matter how long ago you did the climb.

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21 Apr 2016 17:33 - 21 Apr 2016 18:37 #67931 by Viking
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Consider this a framework or draft in order to stimulate the project.



and for those not keen on clicking the attachment:



There are 15 free standers on this list separated into 3 roughly even categories based on the easiest grade of each peak.
I have added my thoughts for possible discussion.
It may be nice to get 5 peaks in each category and maybe some of the more experienced guys can comment on which peaks belong where based on something other than pure grade.

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21 Apr 2016 19:01 #67932 by AndrewP
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Thanks, Viking.

I personally prefer an idea of get 5 on the list to make bronze rather than the 5 easier peaks. I like the idea of "fear" factor rather than absolute grade.

I think we can consider adding the Rockeries, especially if you can bag all 8 of them.

If you want to even out geographic distribution, then Ghaz mentioned a few such as King Kong and Sandleni Pinnacle

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