Everest incident
01 May 2013 16:03 #56790
by ghaznavid
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This fight on Everest thing is rather sad. See this
article
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Everest takes enough casualties annually for something like this to be really unnecessary. It would be interesting to hear the Sherpas' side of the story though.
Everest takes enough casualties annually for something like this to be really unnecessary. It would be interesting to hear the Sherpas' side of the story though.
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02 May 2013 09:44 - 02 May 2013 09:58 #56795
by tiska
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The more people that go up that mountain (and there are plenty at the moment) the more it will reflect the general state of society.
When the internet first started, it was visited by a select few, rather like Everest in the early days. Now that there are n billion websites, the internet is home to all the maladies you see in scoeities: crime, theft, corruption, child porn.....
The bigger something gets, the more it is like the general state of a society. The brawl on Everest marks one of those moments in the timeline.
I'm much, much happier in Mponj Cave than on the South Col.
When the internet first started, it was visited by a select few, rather like Everest in the early days. Now that there are n billion websites, the internet is home to all the maladies you see in scoeities: crime, theft, corruption, child porn.....
The bigger something gets, the more it is like the general state of a society. The brawl on Everest marks one of those moments in the timeline.
I'm much, much happier in Mponj Cave than on the South Col.
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09 May 2013 10:23 - 13 May 2013 10:30 #56841
by intrepid
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Wow, talk about a topic which has been talked about on almost every mountaineering blog and forum! Still reading through all of it, and I'm sure more analysis will come.
Seem to be some cultural issues coming into play there too.
The sentiment (and blog) of "Everest is not for climbers" is not strictly true but I totally get the point being made by it...
Seem to be some cultural issues coming into play there too.
The sentiment (and blog) of "Everest is not for climbers" is not strictly true but I totally get the point being made by it...
Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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09 May 2013 10:27 #56842
by ghaznavid
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I would be interested in reading details on the view that Everest isn't for climbers. Are they referring to its status as a holy place? (or was that Annapurna?)
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13 May 2013 10:33 #56877
by intrepid
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eveningsends.com/2013/04/everest-is-not-for-climbers/But what this sad story reaffirms, to me, is that Everest is not for climbers. It’s for guides and clients, and all the infrastructure that goes into getting a large mass of people up the same two routes, as more than 3,000 people have done in the last 60 years. The mountain has been fully co-opted by the guide culture, and it seems as though there isn’t any room—logistically, if nothing else—for “real” climbers to go climbing as a small team, and demonstrate the self-reliance and skill that normally goes into climbing almost any other mountain.
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13 May 2013 10:51 #56879
by ghaznavid
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Ok, that makes sense.
Surely they could just put some qualification system in place for who is allowed to climb Everest and put a daily restriction on movements between camps. You can't even run the Comrades without meeting a bunch of criteria, how can people who don't know how to use basic climbing gear climb the world's highest peak?
Many people I talk to say they would do K2 or one of the others before Everest. Personally I would probably go with Cho Oyo (because its the "easiest"/safest) or Broad Peak (because that peak is awesome and I prefer the Pakistani 8000ers anyway) over Everest. I don't like the idea of dying of HACE or HAPE while waiting in a queue with tourists.
Maybe we need a Messner style person heading up and opening a new route, there must be more than 2 routes up such a massive mountain, especially with modern tools like aid climbing etc.
Surely they could just put some qualification system in place for who is allowed to climb Everest and put a daily restriction on movements between camps. You can't even run the Comrades without meeting a bunch of criteria, how can people who don't know how to use basic climbing gear climb the world's highest peak?
Many people I talk to say they would do K2 or one of the others before Everest. Personally I would probably go with Cho Oyo (because its the "easiest"/safest) or Broad Peak (because that peak is awesome and I prefer the Pakistani 8000ers anyway) over Everest. I don't like the idea of dying of HACE or HAPE while waiting in a queue with tourists.
Maybe we need a Messner style person heading up and opening a new route, there must be more than 2 routes up such a massive mountain, especially with modern tools like aid climbing etc.
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13 May 2013 11:10 - 13 May 2013 11:11 #56881
by intrepid
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I think restricting and controlling the numbers on the mountain is a good way to go in theory. The challenge here is that permits for Everest
generate a big income for Nepal and so the government likes to issue as many as possible.
There already are quite a few routes going up Everest, but I think still room for more:
www.mounteverest.net/story/stories/ChomolungmaNirvana-theRoutesofMountEverestMay292004.shtml
generate a big income for Nepal and so the government likes to issue as many as possible.
There already are quite a few routes going up Everest, but I think still room for more:
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www.mounteverest.net/story/stories/ChomolungmaNirvana-theRoutesofMountEverestMay292004.shtml
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13 May 2013 11:26 #56882
by ghaznavid
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I find it curious then that groups of experienced climbers like this don't shoot for the obscure routes which have low fatality rates, e.g. American and Neverest Buttresses.
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13 May 2013 12:26 #56883
by intrepid
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From what I've read of the Kangshung Face, it's pretty treacherous, so that’s one of the reasons why it sees few ascents. I think the low fatalities on that side has more to do with the low numbers attempting it. And then you still mostly land up at the South Col where you have to complete the rest of the route on the SE Ridge, bringing you back to the crowds. Furthermore the approach to this face is considerably more remote than the usual North and South sides, so logistical support is more of a challenge. Even amongst the trekkers its not often visited.
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13 May 2013 17:02 #56886
by ghaznavid
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I imagine they would probably look at the less climbed peaks if they shoot for an 8000er again. Its a bit like the coca-cola route on Killi - the mountains are a way of getting away from civilisation, not much fun when there are hundreds of other people around 
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