Should Sterkhorn be renamed Mount Mandela?

10 Mar 2011 07:34 #2550 by tiska
The reason I raised the cable car issue in conjuction with the renaming is that the person who is proposing naming to Mt Mandela is doing so from an economic stand point - i.e. the renaming will put the Drakensberg on the map, get the tourists in and stimulate the local economy. Once they are all there, standing around and looking at their peak, it won't be long before the calls go out to drag their sorry backsides up in a cable car. Previously the cable car issue has been held at bay because the projected numbers of people were simply not sufficient to make the cable way viable. The convergence of prominent name and more punters is what made me think it wouldn't be long after a renaming that we would expect these calls for a cable way too. People who go to mountains because of what the mountains are called are the same sort of people who like to eat ice creams and have tea parties near cable way stations.

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10 Mar 2011 08:15 - 10 Mar 2011 08:16 #2552 by intrepid
Yes, I also heard that the business model for the cable car wasn't strong enough. Interesting enough, if I'm not mistaken, Tungay's brother has had a hand in punting the cable car idea. Increasingly the Berg will face pressures like this since the region has been ear-marked for further tourism development. All the more reason to somehow formulate a strong voice for the Berg's preservation...

Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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10 Mar 2011 09:44 #2553 by tiska
It wouldn't be the first time that the motivation for using Mandela's name was primarily for commercial reasons.

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10 Mar 2011 20:48 - 10 Mar 2011 20:53 #2554 by zen101

mnt_tiska wrote: People who go to mountains because of what the mountains are called are the same sort of people who like to eat ice creams and have tea parties near cable way stations.


This must be the most EPIC quote I have read this year, you have a way with words..
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21 Mar 2011 02:34 #2591 by Oneye
Why don't politicians ever name other things after themselves? Like places at the bottom of the ocean, for instance. The Stalin Trench sounds rather appropriate.

Nothing natural should be named after people - not mountains, not comets, not craters on the moon. Man made things, ok. (Streets, buildings, airports.) If you MAKE it, you can call it what you will. If you didn't make it, it's NOT yours. But no one's asking me.

In the Drakensberg, I have always been ashamed that the Bushman names have been erased, and I assume forgotten. Sani Pass is named for them, but I'm sure they didn't call it that. Whatever the political noise, the native peoples of Southern Africa, from Botswana to the Cape, and from Mozambique to Namibia, are the Bushmen tribes, Khoi-San in the literature, both Whites and Nguni are invaders. I believe Khoi refers to herders, and San to hunter-gatherers. The distinguishing feature of their languages was and is of course, the many different clicks, some of which the Zulu and Xhosa adopted.

From my childhood, some of the Zulu names I learned I now suspect are Bushman. Shongalolo, chocho, nunu are three that come to mind. I suspect this because the names are the same in a number of Nguni languages, and not derived from any more Northern African language.

Does anyone know if an account of the Bushman Drakensberg names exists?

I could not even find an online account of the final genocide of the Drakensberg Bushmen, which I was taught happened after the last Anglo-Zulu War (1879) - the British Carbineers massacred them all on orders.

I now live on (former) Ute land at the interface of the Rocky Mountains (Colorado) and the Great American Desert (Utah). The Utes were defeated in 1892 by the US Army that, after the Civil War ended, was turned on the natives. The Utes left plenty of petroglyphs, usually at their winter camps.

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22 Mar 2011 14:17 #2592 by Errol
" the native peoples of Southern Africa, from Botswana to the Cape, and from Mozambique to Namibia, are the Bushmen tribes" I couldn't agree more!! The rest of us are pretty much invasive aliens.

I would far rather be reading Bushman names for peaks etc. than any others.

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08 Apr 2011 07:01 - 08 Apr 2011 07:02 #2669 by intrepid
This update from MCSA eNews:

A move to re-name one of the prominent peaks in the Drakensberg after ex-President Mandela was brought to the attention of Cencom by the KwaZulu-Natal Section. The Section requested guidance of MCSA policy in such matters. Cencom in debating the issue did not consider the merits of either the peaks mentioned or of the distinguished person identified with proposed re-naming, but stuck to principle.

Cencom has confirmed that the MCSA does not support the renaming of peaks in general and is wary in particular of attaching the names of any persons to such peaks.


Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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