Motorbikes on Rockeries Pass
29 Nov 2016 17:15 #70278
by intrepid
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To clarify the status of the land between RNNP and Cathedral Peak:
wards comprising the land include 3 AmaNgwane wards which make up "the Mnweni", 2 additional AmaNgwane wards which are not part of the Mnweni, and 3 AmaZizi wards
all of the above-mentioned wards have agreed to give part of the land towards a Community Conservation Area (CCA) which makes up an area of about 45000ha
community wilderness teams have mapped out various zones within the CCA, which includes a wilderness area in which a pristine state of nature is to be preserved
the intention is for the CCA to be awarded a living cultural world heritage status on the basis of the natural and cultural heritage of the area - the local communities are not aiming for inclusion into the current MDP-WHS, but rather for proclamation of a nature reserve under the KZN Biodiversity Stewardship Programme
while the process towards this proclamation has come a long way, it still faces various issues which have to worked through - for those interested, I have attached a report on the current status of this process
the area is a de facto wilderness, which will in time be ratified by formal proclamation of the CCA, and be further supported by formal proclamation of the Buffer Zone around the current MDP-WHS.
the authoritative bodies for governing conservation and tourism in this area include the Mnweni Wilderness Working Team, AmaZizi Wilderness Group, as well as local leadership of Ngoba and MaSwazini wards (the 2 AmaNgwane wards outside of the Mnweni)
I believe the Mnweni Wilderness Working Team would be an appropriate body to address the matter, and from the response already indicated by the staff of the MCC, it would seem that they do not want motorbikes in the wilderness area. Their rules and guidelines should be respected, and as such I will follow up the matter with them.
I also want to suggest that this matter may not necessarily be condoned and supported by the larger motorbiking community, and that if the matter is raised with that community that they may well call for a stop to this also. Does anyone have any relevant contacts in this regard, an could they please follow this up with them?
I also want to point out that there has been no response on this thread so far by those who are engaging in this activity. A response is welcome, and I make a call for respectful and constructive engagement with them. Please let us avoid undue animosity between various user groups of the Drakensberg.
I believe the Mnweni Wilderness Working Team would be an appropriate body to address the matter, and from the response already indicated by the staff of the MCC, it would seem that they do not want motorbikes in the wilderness area. Their rules and guidelines should be respected, and as such I will follow up the matter with them.
I also want to suggest that this matter may not necessarily be condoned and supported by the larger motorbiking community, and that if the matter is raised with that community that they may well call for a stop to this also. Does anyone have any relevant contacts in this regard, an could they please follow this up with them?
I also want to point out that there has been no response on this thread so far by those who are engaging in this activity. A response is welcome, and I make a call for respectful and constructive engagement with them. Please let us avoid undue animosity between various user groups of the Drakensberg.
Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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30 Nov 2016 02:53 - 30 Nov 2016 06:12 #70282
by Serious tribe
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Hi Chris
Thanx for the response and the attached doc.
It would appear that they are quite at home at the MCC, and know the members, see the obit for Agrippa on the 13 July on their Facebook page.
Quite a crowd
I am an avid down-hill and trails mountain biker, so fully understand pitting oneself against nature in a spectacular environment and with a good, comfortable place to stay nearby at the end of the day to shoot the breeze with your mates! I mention this purely because I enjoy the outdoors not only for my hiking, but also for my love of mountain biking, and realise that there are other users wanting to get a piece of the Berg pie, not all of which would be acceptable in a wilderness area.
There are going to be an increasing number of user groups that are going to want to make use of these resources. If what Chris says is the case, and this form of recreation is at odds with the community and the CCA, and they don't want it there, then fine and well, it should be banned, and the ban enforced. They will have to put up signage requesting that the bikers don't go onto the CCA controlled land and they may have to use the police to ensure that this takes place. Or they just enforce it themselves.
Apart from the added damage to the paths, (cows can do damage as well) there is the risk of bikes hitting animals, or spooking them into injuring themselves and worse, injuring the people that live there.
If however, the income from the said user group is to much like a good thing, and knowing the above mentioned risks and impact, are still happy for it to take place, then there needs to be some procedures in place to control it so that it does not take place in sensitive areas, and away from the recognised and already established hiking areas. The areas around the established roads and homesteads are already disturbed (risk to animals and life though) and this activity could be kept away from the areas that hikers would frequent. The other reason is the noise factor. If the activity is kept to certain weekends of the year, then hikers could always avoid this area during those periods. However if there is money to be made by individuals organising monthly trips, then this might start to take place more regularly.
From GE, this looks like the spot where the image was taken. Is this too close to the trail area, to be acceptable? (it is about 4.5km away from Mlambu's Kraal) By the way, that is a motorcycle in the mid distance, not a cow!
The red dot is new the homestead you can see in the image.
Chris's suggestion of contacting the bike community is a good one, perhaps contacting the Roof of Africa Management might be good idea as well. I had a quick read through the report and the letter to the ITB was of interest. There were a number of bullet points that caught my eye.
Point 2 mentioned rehabilitation of 'gully erosion' - I would think that numerous enduro bikes, if it becomes the norm, ripping up the trails is going to hamper these efforts.
Point 3 mentioned 'adventure tourism' - one needs to be careful how extensive the understanding of the word adventure is and the user groups that might participate.
Point 6 'maintenance of wilderness character' - this would likely outline the types of user groups that would be acceptable.
I hope that there is some constructive discussion around this and that people in the right places get involved.
Thanx for the response and the attached doc.
It would appear that they are quite at home at the MCC, and know the members, see the obit for Agrippa on the 13 July on their Facebook page.
Quite a crowd
I am an avid down-hill and trails mountain biker, so fully understand pitting oneself against nature in a spectacular environment and with a good, comfortable place to stay nearby at the end of the day to shoot the breeze with your mates! I mention this purely because I enjoy the outdoors not only for my hiking, but also for my love of mountain biking, and realise that there are other users wanting to get a piece of the Berg pie, not all of which would be acceptable in a wilderness area.
There are going to be an increasing number of user groups that are going to want to make use of these resources. If what Chris says is the case, and this form of recreation is at odds with the community and the CCA, and they don't want it there, then fine and well, it should be banned, and the ban enforced. They will have to put up signage requesting that the bikers don't go onto the CCA controlled land and they may have to use the police to ensure that this takes place. Or they just enforce it themselves.
Apart from the added damage to the paths, (cows can do damage as well) there is the risk of bikes hitting animals, or spooking them into injuring themselves and worse, injuring the people that live there.
If however, the income from the said user group is to much like a good thing, and knowing the above mentioned risks and impact, are still happy for it to take place, then there needs to be some procedures in place to control it so that it does not take place in sensitive areas, and away from the recognised and already established hiking areas. The areas around the established roads and homesteads are already disturbed (risk to animals and life though) and this activity could be kept away from the areas that hikers would frequent. The other reason is the noise factor. If the activity is kept to certain weekends of the year, then hikers could always avoid this area during those periods. However if there is money to be made by individuals organising monthly trips, then this might start to take place more regularly.
From GE, this looks like the spot where the image was taken. Is this too close to the trail area, to be acceptable? (it is about 4.5km away from Mlambu's Kraal) By the way, that is a motorcycle in the mid distance, not a cow!
The red dot is new the homestead you can see in the image.
Chris's suggestion of contacting the bike community is a good one, perhaps contacting the Roof of Africa Management might be good idea as well. I had a quick read through the report and the letter to the ITB was of interest. There were a number of bullet points that caught my eye.
Point 2 mentioned rehabilitation of 'gully erosion' - I would think that numerous enduro bikes, if it becomes the norm, ripping up the trails is going to hamper these efforts.
Point 3 mentioned 'adventure tourism' - one needs to be careful how extensive the understanding of the word adventure is and the user groups that might participate.
Point 6 'maintenance of wilderness character' - this would likely outline the types of user groups that would be acceptable.
I hope that there is some constructive discussion around this and that people in the right places get involved.
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30 Nov 2016 15:26 #70287
by tiska
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Its important to note again that what kick started this thread was a report of motorbikes going to the *top* of Rockeries Pass.
I'm having a really hard time believing that those who rode the bikes up that pass could, in any way, have thought it was acceptable to do so. A really hard time. They chose Mnweni because they could get away with it there. It is that simple.
The problem with bikes in the Mnweni area is that the roads become trails and then paths and then 'ways-to-go' without any clear-cut distinction. This is going to be exploited to the hilt by the bike community. And already has been. And will continue to be exploited.
But there remains a real danger that some drug smuggler from Lesotho who encounters the bikes in the high Berg might not have had the 4G link to Facebook group that morning and will genuinely confuse the bikes with some authority who is there to pick them, the smugglers, out. Its best for all concerned that this doesn't happen. One way to ensure this is indeed the case is for the bikes to stay away. If they don't, it could well end badly. Hikers have been shot at before.
This comes from someone who has owned enduro bikes for a few decades and loves riding off the black top. But has the sense and respect not to ride where these guys went.
I'm having a really hard time believing that those who rode the bikes up that pass could, in any way, have thought it was acceptable to do so. A really hard time. They chose Mnweni because they could get away with it there. It is that simple.
The problem with bikes in the Mnweni area is that the roads become trails and then paths and then 'ways-to-go' without any clear-cut distinction. This is going to be exploited to the hilt by the bike community. And already has been. And will continue to be exploited.
But there remains a real danger that some drug smuggler from Lesotho who encounters the bikes in the high Berg might not have had the 4G link to Facebook group that morning and will genuinely confuse the bikes with some authority who is there to pick them, the smugglers, out. Its best for all concerned that this doesn't happen. One way to ensure this is indeed the case is for the bikes to stay away. If they don't, it could well end badly. Hikers have been shot at before.
This comes from someone who has owned enduro bikes for a few decades and loves riding off the black top. But has the sense and respect not to ride where these guys went.
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01 Dec 2016 08:11 #70289
by tonymarshall
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I totally understand your last paragraph tiska, in my younger days I rode and raced off road, although I haven't had a bike for more than 10 years now.
I would really love to take a bike to the top of the berg up Rockeries (or any other suitable) Pass, but have the understanding that it is not acceptable to do this, and respect my beloved berg too much.
I would really love to take a bike to the top of the berg up Rockeries (or any other suitable) Pass, but have the understanding that it is not acceptable to do this, and respect my beloved berg too much.
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28 May 2017 18:12 #71658
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I remember reading about this but could not find the previous post. Please move to appropriate topic if necessary. I found this on Facebook, seems to be able to attract many.
www.facebook.com/drakensbergendurotours/photos/a.729037353825247.1073741829.707155856013397/1433254553403520/?type=3
www.facebook.com/drakensbergendurotours/photos/a.729037353825247.1073741829.707155856013397/1433254553403520/?type=3
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29 May 2017 09:12 #71663
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A group of us hiked Mbundini Pass and Fangs Pass on the Freedom Day April long weekend. When returning on the Lower Path of the Dassie above Mlambu's Kraal, there was a single motorbike wheel tracks (and stand/chain guide/footpeg scrape marks) along the path. Back at MCC I discussed this with Leonard (who now seems to run MCC) and he assured me that they discourage motorcyclists from using the area, but that there are rogues who just go into the berg anyway.
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11 Nov 2023 22:03 #78788
by Dillon
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Looks like this problem hasn’t gone away.
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