Gully opposite Monks Cowl

14 Apr 2010 20:58 - 14 Apr 2010 21:00 #1169 by intrepid
This thread discusses the content article: Gully opposite Monks Cowl

I think I know which gully you are talking about, is it this one?
www.vertical-endeavour.com/gallery/drakensberg/peaks/khulus-above-3300m/213-champagne-castle-ridge-and-mhlwazini.html
The 2 peaks in the photo I refer to as "Champagne Castle Ridge" (left) and "Mhlwazini" on the right - they are among SA's highest points, both over 3300m.

A picture of it was also posted by your counterpart recently on this thread:
www.vertical-endeavour.com/forum/8-drakensberg-hiking/1010-easter-weekend-activities.html?limit=6&start=12

I think thats the South Gully Route of Champagne Castle, which is graded a D. It apparently can be a very good winter route, as evidenced by the snow in it on both photos. I've stood at the summit of it and had some grand views of the Cowl, but haven't done the gully as such...though it has definitely caught my eye before! If you want to attempt it, let me know, I'm keen! There is also a C grade scramble to the escarpment, somewhere to the left of it, which doesn't require ropes.

Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
Last edit: 14 Apr 2010 21:00 by intrepid.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
15 Apr 2010 02:00 - 15 Apr 2010 09:54 #1170 by Serious tribe
Hi Guys

You are going to make me jealous. I recall when Brad aka serious tribe 2 was standing on that point and i was taking the images. We had a chat about doing that gully. In fact the topic has come up in conversation a few times when we have been in the area. Just never got around to doing it, always another trip to get images was planned.

I have attached another image of the gully a bit zoomed in.

Cheers
Karl
{joomplu:214}

Please login or register to view the file attached to this post.

Last edit: 15 Apr 2010 09:54 by intrepid.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
15 Apr 2010 09:48 #1173 by Frosty Ice
I have been really keen to do this gully as a snow accent. We stood on top over easter and thought about tyring to do and abseil down it to check it out. (steps etc) I think it could be a really awesome climb in winter!!!

Maybe we get a group of us together to do it. I have 2 people.

I think snow axes, crampons and ropes would be a good idea too. (Maybe a few screws as well.)

Frosty

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
16 Apr 2010 06:50 #1177 by SeriousTribe2
Hi Intrepid

That is indeed the gully. In fact the red speck at left is my good self looking long and hard at same gully.Forgot about that pic. Awesome weekend, and we got snow.

Hi Frosty

Interesting that you say you would have had to abseil in. Were you at the top out of the gully or further along the ridges N or S ?
Deff enough snow (read ice)for a winter ascent.

Am still interested to hear if ANYONE has in fact DONE this. Any MCSA guys out there?

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
16 Apr 2010 17:49 #1180 by Stijn
Replied by Stijn on topic Re:Gully opposite Monks Cowl
If this is indeed the Champagne Castle South Gully, then yes (in 1955) - here's the RD from kzn.mcsa.org.za/berg/bcathkinrds.html#ChampSGully

CHAMPAGNE CASTLE: South Gully Route (D) (Map #2 : AY:61 : 3246m)

Opening Party: Des Watkins, Pam Richards, J B Anderson and Roy Denny.

Date: July 1955.

Time: About 3 hours to the top.

From Keith Bush Camp walk upstream for about one hour to a major fork. The gully on the left leads up to the Monk's Cowl - Champagne Castle nek and the gully on the right leads straight up the north west face of Champagne Castle. Why the route is called the south gully route, heaven alone knows. Climb the gully, with a couple of D pitches, to reach the top of the escarpment about 500m from the highest point of Champagne Castle. This is possibly one of the better known winter climbs. Depending on conditions it can range from a most enjoyable snow and ice route to a 6 hour slog through slush! Descend via Grey's Pass.

Ref: MCSA Journal 1955, pg 39.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
22 Apr 2010 04:02 #1205 by Serious tribe
I don't think that this could be the route on Champagne Castle. We were looking west from the ledge near Cowl Cave, and the prominent rock face to the right of the gully is the wall above grey's pass. Champagne Castle would have been the huge rock that was above Cowl Cave. Certainly the route description given in the mcsa is correct, and would get you to this gully.

Perhaps that entire section is called Champagne Castle, however this is not apparent from the Slingsby map. Although on the new map, the name Champagne Castle is correctly sited at trig 3377m. South of this would be Ships Prow Pass? Not sure why it is called the Champagne Castle South Gully.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
22 Apr 2010 09:07 #1206 by gollum
Replied by gollum on topic Re:Gully opposite Monks Cowl
Some berg routes, especially gullies and ridges, have gotten really haywire names over the years, and this is one of them ("Why the route is called the south gully route, heaven alone knows"). Same with Giant;s Castle "south" ridge which runs almost perfectly west-to-east!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
30 Apr 2010 08:41 #1235 by intrepid
Yup I think the name is simply messed up. Maybe "south" of Gray's Pass??

@Serious tribe: for my own references I've always regarded the 3377m dome to be Champagne Castle, and the buttress which overlooks Monks Cowl to be "Champagne Castle Buttress". I know that various maps have confused this distinction somewhat.

Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
10 May 2010 16:10 #1279 by Frosty Ice
Looking further into the prospect of doing this gully, I have come accross Peak High Mountaineerings website.
They give the route a grade 2.
Which means: Grade 2 Easy angled front pointing, short sections of 80 degrees with good protection.
My thoughts are around the type of protection refered to here? Snow anchors, ice screws or traditional placements. (Conditions dependent maybe? Surely trad placements might be availible on the sides?) I think a few ice screws may go a long way. (Dont think they had those in 1955?) This description also makes me think that crampons are a good idea.(The semi rigid ones. Sigh $$$$) On 80 degree slopes self arrest surely becomes difficult, so should you not make the route down climbing will be needed as ab points will probabaly not be availible.
@serious tribe 2 - I would take ropes to ab because you cant see the whole way down. There may well be a number of steps requiring rope work. Yes I was standing at the top of the gully. We had walked up the peak to the left looking up from keiths.

I'm thinking about trying it in July.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
10 May 2010 16:13 - 10 May 2010 16:15 #1280 by Frosty Ice
Looking down the gully

This image is hidden for guests.

Please login or register to view the image attached to this post.

Last edit: 10 May 2010 16:15 by Frosty Ice. Reason: Cant seem to get the pic to load?

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
Powered by Kunena Forum