Angus-Leppan
31 May 2010 12:40 - 31 May 2010 12:42 #1327
by Stijn
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Thanks for that - sounds most excellent!
I can't freaking wait.
So I take it route-finding down the standard route is fairly simple since you guys did it at night...
Bolted belay stations??? Since when has the berg trad-climbing fraternity lowered itself to European standards? Thought that was serious no-no, regardless of the convenience offered. How long til the Via Ferrata arrive?
Oh and that report with pics will be most appreciatively gobbled up by me!
So I take it route-finding down the standard route is fairly simple since you guys did it at night...
Bolted belay stations??? Since when has the berg trad-climbing fraternity lowered itself to European standards? Thought that was serious no-no, regardless of the convenience offered. How long til the Via Ferrata arrive?
Oh and that report with pics will be most appreciatively gobbled up by me!
Last edit: 31 May 2010 12:42 by Stijn.
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03 Jun 2010 21:11 #1341
by intrepid
Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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Awesome gollum, well done!
@Stijn: yep there are bolted belay stations in the Berg, and more bolted routes than just Paradigms Shift. Can't say I'm against it, but not totally encouraging of it either. I think it needs to be judiciously controlled and checked.
Does one keep the Triplets and Mweni Pinnacles for the elite and insane, or does one make the belays a little safer for routes which are still scary even with them (and thus still only attract the dedicated)? Not a new debate.
@Stijn: yep there are bolted belay stations in the Berg, and more bolted routes than just Paradigms Shift. Can't say I'm against it, but not totally encouraging of it either. I think it needs to be judiciously controlled and checked.
Does one keep the Triplets and Mweni Pinnacles for the elite and insane, or does one make the belays a little safer for routes which are still scary even with them (and thus still only attract the dedicated)? Not a new debate.
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04 Jun 2010 07:54 #1346
by Stijn
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No, this is definitely not a new debate. Have a look at the topic "Bad things happen when good men do nothing" on the Climb ZA forums.
IMO, if the belays on the triplets are too dodgy for you, choose a different peak to climb. There are plenty of safer routes in the berg (and in other mountain ranges). I'm happy to accept that I will probably never stand on top of one of those summits as I am not prepared to accept the risk. However, I like the fact that there are routes out there which still require mountaineering skill/experience/balls to achieve. Something a select few can aspire to.
Mountain routes should not be brought down to simple gymnastic challenges, especially in a range with as much contribution to the history of South African mountaineering as the Berg.
I know bolted belay stations don't have quite as extreme an effect as what I've described above, but where does one draw the line?
And yes, I will still climb Angus Leppan and happily clip the belay bolts but I'm concerned about where this is all going. Spend some time in the Alps and you'll see plenty examples of classic trad routes having Via Ferratas plastered all over them.
IMO, if the belays on the triplets are too dodgy for you, choose a different peak to climb. There are plenty of safer routes in the berg (and in other mountain ranges). I'm happy to accept that I will probably never stand on top of one of those summits as I am not prepared to accept the risk. However, I like the fact that there are routes out there which still require mountaineering skill/experience/balls to achieve. Something a select few can aspire to.
Mountain routes should not be brought down to simple gymnastic challenges, especially in a range with as much contribution to the history of South African mountaineering as the Berg.
I know bolted belay stations don't have quite as extreme an effect as what I've described above, but where does one draw the line?
And yes, I will still climb Angus Leppan and happily clip the belay bolts but I'm concerned about where this is all going. Spend some time in the Alps and you'll see plenty examples of classic trad routes having Via Ferratas plastered all over them.
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04 Jun 2010 15:23 - 04 Jun 2010 15:32 #1352
by gollum
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Thanks intrepid! This climb opened a whole new dimension of Drakensberg mountaineering - much like my first escarpment hike!
@stijn: Yes, route finding is pretty easy on the standard route, except the top scramble - we started on the wrong line which is more dangerous than the real line. However in daylight you shouldn't have problems. However I memorised the RD, so I always knew what to aim for. I suggest you also learn both RD's by heart.
Bolting da berg ... Hmmm, yes a very tender topic indeed.
I firmly agree with Stijn that if a route is too sketchy for you, skip it (or grow bigger balls!) instead of modifying it to suit your needs. After climbing Angus-Leppan I've reconsidered my Drakensberg climbing career, and my to-do list is a lot easier now!
Gavin Raubenheimer told me he bolted those belay stations, because a leader fall could very easily rip a trad anchor clean off the wall. I believe this is a valid argument, as the rock is ridicilously loose at that point (between pitches 3 and 4), and all you have to work with is loose blocks (I must admit I didn't carefully check it out - I simply clipped the bolts with a sigh of relief! perhaps there is something solid). And from the start of pitch four you lead out 4-5m directly on the anchor before the first placement.
Angus-Leppan is one of the most popular routes in the berg, and I doubt whether the two bolted belays will affect the number of climbers attempting the route (as opposed to via ferrata, which attracts complete non-mountaineers). So those bolts significantly increases the safety margin of a lot of people without altering the character of the route too much (this last point is of course very subjective). Therefore, IMO, those four bolts are justifiable (at least the ones between pitches 3 and 4). Gavin also said he hadn't received any complaints since installing those bolts.
So basically my point is that I believe in this case the bolts didn't diminish the status of the route, nor make it accessible to people who shouldn't be there.
Now, something I've long wondered about: There are 2 berg sport routes I know of - Paradigm's shift on Sentinel, and Not So Auto on Monk's Cowl. How did these people get permission to bolt the routes in the first place (did they ever obtain permission) ? While I have respect for the difficulty of the routes and the vision of the bolters, I don't like the idea of stitching up peaks in the Drakensberg.
Pics and reports still coming!
Here is a teaser (actually not since it's probably my best photo of the climb) - said leadout on pitch 4:
@stijn: Yes, route finding is pretty easy on the standard route, except the top scramble - we started on the wrong line which is more dangerous than the real line. However in daylight you shouldn't have problems. However I memorised the RD, so I always knew what to aim for. I suggest you also learn both RD's by heart.
Bolting da berg ... Hmmm, yes a very tender topic indeed.
I firmly agree with Stijn that if a route is too sketchy for you, skip it (or grow bigger balls!) instead of modifying it to suit your needs. After climbing Angus-Leppan I've reconsidered my Drakensberg climbing career, and my to-do list is a lot easier now!
Gavin Raubenheimer told me he bolted those belay stations, because a leader fall could very easily rip a trad anchor clean off the wall. I believe this is a valid argument, as the rock is ridicilously loose at that point (between pitches 3 and 4), and all you have to work with is loose blocks (I must admit I didn't carefully check it out - I simply clipped the bolts with a sigh of relief! perhaps there is something solid). And from the start of pitch four you lead out 4-5m directly on the anchor before the first placement.
Angus-Leppan is one of the most popular routes in the berg, and I doubt whether the two bolted belays will affect the number of climbers attempting the route (as opposed to via ferrata, which attracts complete non-mountaineers). So those bolts significantly increases the safety margin of a lot of people without altering the character of the route too much (this last point is of course very subjective). Therefore, IMO, those four bolts are justifiable (at least the ones between pitches 3 and 4). Gavin also said he hadn't received any complaints since installing those bolts.
So basically my point is that I believe in this case the bolts didn't diminish the status of the route, nor make it accessible to people who shouldn't be there.
Now, something I've long wondered about: There are 2 berg sport routes I know of - Paradigm's shift on Sentinel, and Not So Auto on Monk's Cowl. How did these people get permission to bolt the routes in the first place (did they ever obtain permission) ? While I have respect for the difficulty of the routes and the vision of the bolters, I don't like the idea of stitching up peaks in the Drakensberg.
Pics and reports still coming!
Here is a teaser (actually not since it's probably my best photo of the climb) - said leadout on pitch 4:
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18 Jun 2010 14:43 #1406
by ray
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OK, I think you have had enough time - where is your trip report and photos?!
The teaser above is not enough anymore!
The teaser above is not enough anymore!
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27 Jul 2010 14:22 #1511
by Stijn
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Really enjoyed this route - we had a clear but hazy winter's day. Thank goodness it's North-facing and sunny because my fingers were just about ready to fall off after the short layback pitch in the shaded and icy approach gully!
Ray led all the pitches and Anna & I followed on top-rope. The crux of the route for me was the 2nd traverse (pictured in Gollum's photo above). I got myself slightly too high and found myself in a very balancy position facing a king swing of note if I had come off
The actual crux of the route is quite juggy and fun in comparison... For the last pitch we headed straight up as the RD suggested - quite a fun layback but definitely not on route. To get to the final pitch chimney, I believe you actually have to traverse left along the ledge and around the corner for 10m or so. It looks dark, wet and unfriendly though...
What a view from the summit!
The descent via the standard route is pretty straight-forward. No need to ab off Paradigm Shift!
I can't think of any freestanding peaks in the berg which top out higher than Sentinel's 3165m. Anybody?
Ray led all the pitches and Anna & I followed on top-rope. The crux of the route for me was the 2nd traverse (pictured in Gollum's photo above). I got myself slightly too high and found myself in a very balancy position facing a king swing of note if I had come off
The actual crux of the route is quite juggy and fun in comparison... For the last pitch we headed straight up as the RD suggested - quite a fun layback but definitely not on route. To get to the final pitch chimney, I believe you actually have to traverse left along the ledge and around the corner for 10m or so. It looks dark, wet and unfriendly though...
What a view from the summit!
The descent via the standard route is pretty straight-forward. No need to ab off Paradigm Shift!
I can't think of any freestanding peaks in the berg which top out higher than Sentinel's 3165m. Anybody?
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28 Jul 2010 10:44 - 28 Jul 2010 10:44 #1517
by gollum
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Western Injasuthi Triplet - 3190m 
Sorry that I never posted my report, I've been busy and simply forgot
Here is the crux as we climbed it - out to the right of the cubbyhole. It wasn't scary but you don't really know if the rock will hold!
Last time I lead pitches 1, 3, and 5. During the Sentinel Centenary we'll be doing the route again and I'll try and call dibs on pitches 2, 4 and 6.
Sorry that I never posted my report, I've been busy and simply forgot
Here is the crux as we climbed it - out to the right of the cubbyhole. It wasn't scary but you don't really know if the rock will hold!
Last time I lead pitches 1, 3, and 5. During the Sentinel Centenary we'll be doing the route again and I'll try and call dibs on pitches 2, 4 and 6.
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28 Jul 2010 13:01 - 28 Jul 2010 13:02 #1519
by Stijn
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Ja - Ray managed to place 3 pieces of gear while hanging off that block...
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28 Jul 2010 13:10 #1520
by intrepid
Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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Awesome stuff guys!
Monk's Cowl is king of the freestanders - it's over 3200m.
Monk's Cowl is king of the freestanders - it's over 3200m.
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21 Jul 2011 12:58 #3358
by RobD
@Gollum: Thanks for the info. I see you used quite a lot of small gear by Berg standards. Thinking of trying the Angus-Leppan some time soon.
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gollum wrote: \m/ WHOOOO HOOOOO ! ! ! \m/
Some hints and info for those of you awaiting awesomeness:
- Route finding is extremely easy (but we had good weather).
- The rock quality is dubious throughout the climb and rotten on pitches 2 and 3.
- 1 out of 3 placements are bomber, don't fall!
- The belay stations at the start of pitches 3 and 4 are bolted
- The "good peg" in the cubbyhole on pitch 6 is no longer there, but there is a good cam placement.
- Our rack was 1 set of nuts (BD #4 - #13), one set of hexes (BD #1 - #11), and 4 cams (BD Camalot #0.75 - #3), and it was more than sufficient, although we could have used more and smaller cams.
@Gollum: Thanks for the info. I see you used quite a lot of small gear by Berg standards. Thinking of trying the Angus-Leppan some time soon.
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