Corner Pass
An alternative to Corner would be Judges Pass just a little South.
It’s indeed a slog up to Centenary Hut. You can find 1 or 2 rough camping spots amongst the protea bushes at the bottom of the Pass.
It looks like you planning this over the long w'end in Aug. 3 days is possible but your 2nd day will be very long esp if the Pass is iced up. And I suggest you camp near Leslies Pass else you'll make the last day long as well. Also, at the bottom of the last ridge when you reach the fork in the river, about a hundred metres on, look out for the path on the LHS else you gonna have a long slog in the riverbed.
ps. I agree with Intrepid, 3 days would be too much of a blur for one of the finest routes in the Berg.
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I thought as much. I use the surveyor general's 1:50 000 maps for the Drakensberg, and noticed the climb on day one will already do some damage - it's higher than the usual lower berg climb. And each day's hiking distance seems well in excess of 10km.
So I'm now discussing with the guys to take one extra day, or else plan 'n proper three-day trip. While I'm at it, can you suggest an enjoyable three-day two-pass escarpment route?
But I hope we can agree on four days. Are there any proper camping spots close to water between Centenary hut and Corner pass? How "rough" are the spots at the bottom of the pass?
-EDIT- Just for indication, more or less the same group descended from the top of Giant's Castle pass via Giant's Ridge to Giant's Castle hutted camp in four hours, including some breaks, during good weather on the last day of our last trip. Is this average or fast?
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Plenty! What area you interested in? That'll narrow it down a bit.While I'm at it, can you suggest an enjoyable three-day two-pass escarpment route?
Unless your tent pitches well on steep slopes, no.Are there any proper camping spots close to water between Centenary hut and Corner pass?
Bush, boulders, not much level ground. You will find a spot eventually when you look around, especially if it's just for one tent. It's generally not an area that lends itself well to camping (which of course depends on what you are happy with and what your expectations are). If you are doing it in 4 days rather use Centenary Hut or camp nearby - no shortage of good camp ground there.How "rough" are the spots at the bottom of the pass?
Theoretically anything could be done faster, but that pace is fine. I mostly avoid fast descents because that's where people mess themselves up. I'd rate an ascent of Giant's Pass with pack at 2/3 - 3/4 of a day, and a descent at half a day. I'm reluctant to rate the time more specifically than that - too many factors involved.Just for indication, more or less the same group descended from the top of Giant's Castle pass via Giant's Ridge to Giant's Castle hutted camp in four hours, including some breaks, during good weather on the last day of our last trip. Is this average or fast?
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Plenty! What area you interested in? That'll narrow it down a bit.
Cathedral or Monk's Cowl, since they are the closest to Bloemfontein.
We're not quite sure on whether we'll take three or four days. But if we can't have four, we will abandon this route for now and settle for a shorter one.
Unless your tent pitches well on steep slopes, no.
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Theoretically anything could be done faster, but that pace is fine. I mostly avoid fast descents because that's where people mess themselves up. I'd rate an ascent of Giant's Pass with pack at 2/3 - 3/4 of a day, and a descent at half a day. I'm reluctant to rate the time more specifically than that - too many factors involved.
Thanks. I'd just like to add we're not trying to set up records, I just wanted to get some sort of rating on fair pace from an experienced climber. We don't regard the berg as a playground.
Speaking of wrong attitude: Last year we climbed Organ Pipes pass, and thought about spending the night in Roland's cave. By coincidence, another small group was in the vicinity, but closer to the cave (we were below the cave ledge). Upon seeing us, they raced to the cave, and we could hear a "f@ck them, we got here first". Not the kind of attitude I liked, especially up there, where you should look out for fellow climbers. We would have respected the first come first serve rule in any case, or if they had booked the cave and we got there first, we'd have moved out.
Anyways, thanks for the advice so far, it's been a great help!!
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You can combine Ships Prow Pass (either fork) with Gray's Pass for the Monks Cowl option in 3 days. It involves getting to the base of Ships Prow the first night, then on to Nkosazana Cave, and down Grays on the last day. Long days, but workable options if you are up for it. Ships Prow deserves a thread of its own, I only mention it here as a possibility. There is no other manageable 3 day option in this area.Cathedral or Monk's Cowl, since they are the closest to Bloemfontein.
Cathedral Peak provides many possibilities. You mentioned that you've done Organ Pipes Pass already, so unless you want to do one of the route alternatives of this pass, you could work out a route involving Cockade Pass, Tsekesteke Pass or Mlambonja Pass. Really there is lots you can do with just those 3, whichever way round you fancy. They are all manageable passes with few issues. A combination of Thuthumi and Tlanyaku is also an option, as well as the Bell Traverse, which is a classic. Again these are all topics in themselves, I'm just throwing it out there.
A 4 hour descent of Giants Pass is good.Thanks. I'd just like to add we're not trying to set up records, I just wanted to get some sort of rating on fair pace from an experienced climber.
Not a great attitude, no. As much as I enjoy solitude, I think its ethical to be prepared to share escarpment caves, especially in bad weather. The cave booking system is one thing and it should be respected, but up on top one doesn't want to be competitive in such a manner. I wouldn't want to share a cave with someone that doesn't want to share it anyway. Most times that I've shared them it has been with welcoming people that have actually added value to the trip. Two of such encounters has actually involved Roland's Cave.Not the kind of attitude I liked, especially up there, where you should look out for fellow climbers. We would have respected the first come first serve rule in any case, or if they had booked the cave and we got there first, we'd have moved out.
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How much additional time is needed if we wish to climb Cathedral Peak from the Bell traverse?
I am considering something like this: Do the Bell Traverse from Cathedral Peak Hotel and include the peak itself. Trek to Mlambonja. If we have the time, trek from there to Tseketseke pass or Organ Pipes pass, or else simply down Mlambonja and back.
Me and another member of our group know Organ Pipes pass and the Camel route (we also descended that in four hours
Once again, many thanks!
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If you get going quickly enough in the morning you can climb the peak on the first day. Drop your packs near Bugger Gully (but hidden and well away from the trail) and scramble up (less than an hour, but allow time to enjoy the view and get back down) - totally worth it, it's one of my favourite peaks that I climb as often as I can. You could also climb it on the morning of the second day, depending on where you overnight.How much additional time is needed if we wish to climb Cathedral Peak from the Bell traverse?
It's half a day between Bell Cave and Twins Cave. You could leave it at that and do a visit up to the escarpment in the afternoon. Other alternative is to continue on to Cockade Pass or Tseketske Pass the same day. I don't readily recommend this unless you want long days. Its all do-able, just a question of what you are prepared for and capable of. For a discussion on the Mlambonja - Organ Pipes section see this thread:If we have the time, trek from there to Tseketseke pass or Organ Pipes pass, or else simply down Mlambonja and back.
vertical-endeavour.com/forums/drakensberg-hiking/135-mlambonja-pass-to-organ-pipes-pass.html
Pressing on to Organ Pipes Pass is not an option for a normal hike. You'll have more than enough on your hands getting to Tseke via the Bell Traverse in one day.
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The trip is scheduled for the weekend of 8 - 10 August.
This is truly a fantastic site, cheers to you guys who spend a lot of energy to keep this going. I know maintaining a site like this can be a headache at times. The info here really helps with planning and preparation, especially to us inexperienced folks.
And thanks for all the information regarding my queries, Intrepid and Magan!
Regards
Lukas
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