Trip to Mafadi

28 Aug 2012 18:49 #55088 by HFc
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My earlier post stated my position on the matter.

However, having said all of that, I do not see an individual, or hiking group for that matter, with cruel intentions. The photos displayed showed that they had a good time and enjoyed the Berg we all love.

It may just be a case of not knowing the rules and general mountain ethics with specific regards to signposting (read plagues, graffiti, carved names etc).

Fact is though it's not right. Those are the rules clearly stated by KZN Wildlife and MCSA (who are perhaps sponsors in the area but I respectfully view as a legislative body as well). No need to read an extensive list of rules here, the slogan simply says "Leave only your footprints".

I am most definitely not suggesting that a crime has been committed here, even KZN Wildlife who may act more stringently will not say that. But it needs to be removed before the placement of plagues, flags and carving of names becomes a common occurence. From this basis it means that the mountain community should act on all such occurences, as kind as possible though as Intrepid said. It is a learning curve for all of us to various extents.

I support Magan's notion to remove the plague at earliest convenience by anyone who gets up there soon.
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28 Aug 2012 19:19 - 28 Aug 2012 19:24 #55089 by LeonBasson
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I am guilty as charged.
Thank you Highlands Fanatic for the last post.

We certainly did not have cruel intentions.

In 2008 we hiked Cleft Peak and saw a copperplate on the peak. That is where we got the idea to do it. We were unaware of the fact that it is not permitted.

We have been hiking the Drakensberg for more than 10 years now, and we love it. We don't even leave a toothpick wrapping behind and get mad when we see littering and fireplaces in the berg.

We didn't see the nameplate as any of that, but we understand it now.
All of you that made comments, we appreciate it, as HF said, its a learning curve, and we certainly learnt something.

Therefore we as a group would like to apologize to you all, KZN Wildlife and the mountains for this act. Please accept our apologies.

If one of you get to Mafadi in the future, please remove it for us.

Image - Plate on Cleft Peak - 2008

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Last edit: 28 Aug 2012 19:24 by intrepid.
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28 Aug 2012 19:24 - 28 Aug 2012 19:26 #55090 by Smurfatefrog
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Thanks Leon, we live and learn :)

Its certainly nothing too serious or damaging, unlike the idiots who spray painted along the chain ladders path

A few years ago I might have done the same thing, I didn't know any of the rules or regulations to adhere to on longer hikes, but now threads like these are now informative for other members

Now whats the best way to take off Pratley Quick set :whistle:
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28 Aug 2012 19:30 #55091 by LeonBasson
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Thank you, I think the best will be to cover it up with some rocks.

Gee, now I feel bad about the whole thing. Sorry again.

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28 Aug 2012 19:42 - 28 Aug 2012 19:49 #55092 by intrepid
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Thank you Leon for responding and thank you for your stated position on the whole thing.

I think what has happened here, in terms of how it was handled, is significant and I'm pleased with the outcome. I hope that is a standard for how issues are handled in future. :thumbsup:

What mattered to me was how we as a Berg user community interact with each other and how we shape ethics and values. My initial response was geared towards that rather than the issue of the actual plaque, since this is something which can be removed.

Its true Leon that there are plaques in the Berg (and that is not the only one on Cleft Peak either). Currently I have knowledge of 7 plaques in various places in the Berg. There probably are more around. There are three main issues with them that I can see:
1) within the Park it is a contravention of the rules
2) it causes a lot of problems with wilderness / mountain / hiking ethics (previous ethics allowed for man made structures, but thoughts have moved towards keeping these away and having minimal impact on what we have left)
3) one or two are not the problem; its always the precedent it sets in putting up more until it does become a major problem.

I dont think all the plaques will survive simply because more of them are appearing until eventually the parks officials will make a point of removing them. This has been discussed in a thread elsewhere on this forum.

Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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29 Aug 2012 07:00 #55099 by elinda
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Thanks Leon - it takes courage and humbleness to step up and respond to the bit of 'tongue lashing' you received! It's very clear that you love and have a passion for our Drakensberg as we all do, and as Intrepid says, this is a learning curve for all of us in one way or another
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29 Aug 2012 09:25 #55102 by thomas
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Thanks Leon, I actually suspected that precedent was a major factor in the plaque placement and would offer that you are in good company when it comes to putting plaques on mountains ALL OVER THE WORLD. There is a somewhat arbitrary logic that defines what can be done and what cannot in mountains. I would rather have plaques than all the hotels, helicopters, housing, cars, bells and whistles going on below the summits which appears to have no end in sight and seem to be acceptable. No one has the right to remove your plaque except technically KZNWildlife but then again, if your plaque is to be removed, then all should be removed. If there is any real thinking going on about the destinies of mountain integrity, then I have yet to see much of it beyond how to profit from and politicize them. If your plaque is an expression of the antithesis of mountain destruction (sounds like it is)then I hope to see more of you in the Drakensberg (plaques or no plaques). Best of hiking to you. :thumbsup:
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