The Carbineers
According to the map the Carbineers south of Durnford are as follows (Langalibalele being the 3156m unnamed peak under discussion):
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Will get some references together to show you what I mean.
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Katana, Carbineers Point, Kambule, Mount Durnford, Potterill, Bond and Erskine
These seven peaks stand out so well, yet had never been given names.
Clearly what EKZN marks as Erskine can't be Erskine, it doesn't stand out well from the bottom or the top, thus I think the EZKN Bond is actually Erskine, 3156 is Bond, and Porterhill seems to be correct as it is. I am happy with that, I have said for a long time that Erskine is not a real khulu - it makes much more sense this way.
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Government Survey map:
Garmin topographic map:
Slingsby's map:
KZN Wildlife map:
Bristow's map in Drakensberg Walks:
Labelled panorama in Cradle of Rivers by Dodds:
Table of published heights
| Reference | Erskine | Bond | Poterill |
| Survey map | 3148m | 3156m | 3141m |
| Slingsby's map | ? | 3153m | 3159m |
| KZN Wildlife map | 3085m | 3148m | 3141m |
| Drakensberg Walks by Bristow | ? | 3153m | 3159m |
| Field Guide to Natal Drakensberg, Irwins | 3095m | 3153m | 3159m |
| Khulu article by Murch in JMCSA 1994 | 3148m | 3156m | 3159m |
There are two main groups here, for arguments sake you could call them the Survey-configuration and the Slingsby-configuration. Ghaznavid's pic is the Slingsby-configuration. This one makes most sense from a map point of view, in that the peaks are a little better defined when looking at contours and spacing (ie Bond and Poterill are not almost on top of each). It also makes more sense from a Khulu definition point of view, but this approach was obviously not in consideration when the peaks were named. KZN Wildlife maps, and the map in Bristow's Drakensberg Walks clearly take their lead from Slingsby's map.
Then there is the Survey-map configuration. This one makes sense from a visual point of view, since when looking at the peaks from below it fits in with Bill Barnes' reference to peaks which "stand out well". This is clearly shown in the labelled panorama from Dodd's Cradle of Rivers. Due to the date of this publication (1975), this may very well have been the influence on the Survey maps, which in turn was used in the Garmin map (Garmin is heavily based on the Survey maps).
So at this point it's a bit of a dead-lock. I think the Survey-map configuration may well be correct but you never know. This will need some more research.
Oh and the name Langalibalele has already been assigned to the Kgolo behind the Carbineers, see Survey map.
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You can make your own maps using this data and one of the many free GIS software packages available. Quantum GIS is currently my favourite free package.
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BobbyStanton wrote: ... They were digitised in the 1990's and the digital data can be bought fairly cheaply by anyone from the Surveyor-General (now called something else) in Mowbray. Essentially the data is free but you pay for the DVD on which it is supplied. Slingsby use the same 1:50000 maps but he was pre digital and I'm not sure what technology he used.
You can make your own maps using this data and one of the many free GIS software packages available. Quantum GIS is currently my favourite free package.
Thanks Bobby
Can you perhaps provide contact detail for the Surveyor-General. I tried to find some years ago for the Wild Coast but was not successful. Thanks
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