Cathedral Peak security
22 Jan 2010 17:00 - 22 Jan 2010 17:07 #912
by Bosvark
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We slept over in twins this December, doing the round trip via Organ Pipes Pass. Met another group at twins that were finish a mini traverse.
Had a peaceful stay except for a basotho herdsman that were singing and shouting down at us from above.
Great views at sunset! See picture.
Up to now I was not aware of the existence of Twin Annex?
Had a peaceful stay except for a basotho herdsman that were singing and shouting down at us from above.
Great views at sunset! See picture.
Up to now I was not aware of the existence of Twin Annex?
Last edit: 22 Jan 2010 17:07 by Bosvark.
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26 Jan 2010 09:50 #918
by intrepid
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Bosvark wrote:
Just before the neck, near the main cave, where the trail flips over to eventually join Mlambonja Pass, look for a faint track contouring the slopes below the escarpment. Follow that for about 180m.Up to now I was not aware of the existence of Twin Annex?
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21 Nov 2010 07:33 #2042
by Powermonkey Explorer
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Hey All,
Thanks for this great site, have been taking a look and there's so much info. It's just on the security issue that things don't seem completely clear, so I thought I'd best ask. My boyfriend and I decided a couple of days ago to fly up and do a couple of days hike in the Berg (our first overnighter in the Drakensberg, although we've done quite a few elsewhere) and I just want to check we're being silly to go alone - most postings seem to be either just men or a large group of people.
We're thinking of doing the Bell Traverse and then down Tseketseke (but we have no fixed plan so can easily change the route too).
Thanks!
Thanks for this great site, have been taking a look and there's so much info. It's just on the security issue that things don't seem completely clear, so I thought I'd best ask. My boyfriend and I decided a couple of days ago to fly up and do a couple of days hike in the Berg (our first overnighter in the Drakensberg, although we've done quite a few elsewhere) and I just want to check we're being silly to go alone - most postings seem to be either just men or a large group of people.
We're thinking of doing the Bell Traverse and then down Tseketseke (but we have no fixed plan so can easily change the route too).
Thanks!
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22 Nov 2010 14:22 - 22 Nov 2010 14:28 #2043
by intrepid
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Welcome Powermonkey.
Your safety can never be guaranteed in the Berg.
Even big groups are vulnerable to the petty, opportunistic theft that typically happens at night (which is the most common security issue). Larger groups definitely have an advantage when it comes to warding off a more confrontational attack. But if someone is going to go out their way to mug you, the advantage of two guys in a hiking group vs a guy and a girl is probably not that pronounced. Where this does leave you vulnerable is when it comes to sexually oriented attack. I only know of rape or attempted rape cases in the Giants Castle area however, and the last incident was in 2006.
You need to be aware that the Bell Traverse is used by the Basotho and locals from the Mnweni alike. Read through this link , among others. You may have heard about the recent fatal accident at the base of Cathedral Peak (see Dragon's Wrath 2010 thread), and while there is no conclusive evidence that it was a security related accident, the incident has unsettled the Berg hiking community somewhat. Between Mlambonja Pass and Tseketseke Pass you might encounter the odd shepherd and I consider that stretch to be more relaxed than the BT.
Consider not sleeping in Bell Cave and Twins Cave - this would reduce the chances significantly. Unfortunately these caves are part of the classic experience of the BT. And the fact that you are posing this question indicates an awareness which will go far in preventing an incident.
I'll be on the BT myself in December, but our group will be 2 woman and 3 guys and I feel totally comfortable with that. I've been on the BT in much smaller groups before and wouldn't hesitate much to repeat that. I've been there solo too but won't repeat that in a hurry...Bell Cave is eerie at night.
So, while I don't give this a green light entirely, I would not say that it is a bad idea altogether, nor would I discourage you from going. It is a decision you must make for yourself. If you go, be careful.
Your safety can never be guaranteed in the Berg.
Even big groups are vulnerable to the petty, opportunistic theft that typically happens at night (which is the most common security issue). Larger groups definitely have an advantage when it comes to warding off a more confrontational attack. But if someone is going to go out their way to mug you, the advantage of two guys in a hiking group vs a guy and a girl is probably not that pronounced. Where this does leave you vulnerable is when it comes to sexually oriented attack. I only know of rape or attempted rape cases in the Giants Castle area however, and the last incident was in 2006.
You need to be aware that the Bell Traverse is used by the Basotho and locals from the Mnweni alike. Read through this link , among others. You may have heard about the recent fatal accident at the base of Cathedral Peak (see Dragon's Wrath 2010 thread), and while there is no conclusive evidence that it was a security related accident, the incident has unsettled the Berg hiking community somewhat. Between Mlambonja Pass and Tseketseke Pass you might encounter the odd shepherd and I consider that stretch to be more relaxed than the BT.
Consider not sleeping in Bell Cave and Twins Cave - this would reduce the chances significantly. Unfortunately these caves are part of the classic experience of the BT. And the fact that you are posing this question indicates an awareness which will go far in preventing an incident.
I'll be on the BT myself in December, but our group will be 2 woman and 3 guys and I feel totally comfortable with that. I've been on the BT in much smaller groups before and wouldn't hesitate much to repeat that. I've been there solo too but won't repeat that in a hurry...Bell Cave is eerie at night.
So, while I don't give this a green light entirely, I would not say that it is a bad idea altogether, nor would I discourage you from going. It is a decision you must make for yourself. If you go, be careful.
Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
Last edit: 22 Nov 2010 14:28 by intrepid.
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22 Nov 2010 16:18 - 22 Nov 2010 16:42 #2044
by tiska
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Almost all the time I have spent in the Berg has been with 2 people. 10% of the time with 3 people and max 1% with groups larger than three people.
I get the impression that larger groups are targeted more frequently by thieves than smaller groups. I don't have hard evidence or statistics on this, but it is my clear impression. Larger groups are much more conspicuous than smaller groups. They also move more slowly and tend to be spread out when walking or arriving at a camp spot. Groups of two move more quickly and if one loses sight of them crossing a ridge, they tend to be much harder to spot thereafter. Smaller groups are more flexible and can change plans after 30 seconds of discussion. Larger groups tend also to be more complacent, I would have thought, particularly in tents. If there are just two of you, and you hear a third person rustling around outside a cave or a tent, you'll know there is something going on. But if there is a group of 8 of you in 4 tents and you hear someone outside, it is most likely going to be one of your own.
As for the Bell Traverse, Intrepid has it spot-on. I'd avoid Twins but wouldn't worry as much about Bell Cave - it seems to be used infrequently and so the chances of thieves making a hit there are low. I would, however, be on the look-out from the top of Orange Peel Gap (when you see the northern parts of the Berg for the first time) all the way to the top of the Gendarme from where you see Bell properly for the first time. I would stop along this stretch for 5-10 minutes every 40 minutes or so and have a long, good look around for movement or voices. Likewise, once at bell Cave, I would walk round to the gap between Bell and Cathedral Peak and sit there for 15 minutes, watching and listening. It would be sensible not to get noticed when doing this. If it were a clear, calm night, I'd move along a bit and not stay in Bell Cave.
I get the impression that larger groups are targeted more frequently by thieves than smaller groups. I don't have hard evidence or statistics on this, but it is my clear impression. Larger groups are much more conspicuous than smaller groups. They also move more slowly and tend to be spread out when walking or arriving at a camp spot. Groups of two move more quickly and if one loses sight of them crossing a ridge, they tend to be much harder to spot thereafter. Smaller groups are more flexible and can change plans after 30 seconds of discussion. Larger groups tend also to be more complacent, I would have thought, particularly in tents. If there are just two of you, and you hear a third person rustling around outside a cave or a tent, you'll know there is something going on. But if there is a group of 8 of you in 4 tents and you hear someone outside, it is most likely going to be one of your own.
As for the Bell Traverse, Intrepid has it spot-on. I'd avoid Twins but wouldn't worry as much about Bell Cave - it seems to be used infrequently and so the chances of thieves making a hit there are low. I would, however, be on the look-out from the top of Orange Peel Gap (when you see the northern parts of the Berg for the first time) all the way to the top of the Gendarme from where you see Bell properly for the first time. I would stop along this stretch for 5-10 minutes every 40 minutes or so and have a long, good look around for movement or voices. Likewise, once at bell Cave, I would walk round to the gap between Bell and Cathedral Peak and sit there for 15 minutes, watching and listening. It would be sensible not to get noticed when doing this. If it were a clear, calm night, I'd move along a bit and not stay in Bell Cave.
Last edit: 22 Nov 2010 16:42 by tiska.
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23 Nov 2010 13:33 #2045
by tiska
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intrepid wrote:
Last time I was in Bell Cave I was on my own too. I was woken three or four times during the night by rockfalls coming down the Gendarme gully and then, later on, by some really loud and eerie birds -- not sure what they were....
...Bell Cave is eerie at night.
Last time I was in Bell Cave I was on my own too. I was woken three or four times during the night by rockfalls coming down the Gendarme gully and then, later on, by some really loud and eerie birds -- not sure what they were....
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23 Nov 2010 14:42 #2048
by intrepid
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And the sound of the wind whistling from around The Bell to the cave side, changing pitch as it comes closer...and the dark, looming silhouettes of The Bell and the gendarme....magical and eerie all at once.
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24 Nov 2010 13:18 #2051
by SeriousTribe2
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@ mtn tiska
See if you can google calls for Barn Owl. I have heard them in the Berg before. In fact a pair used to nest in the Cathedral Peak Forestry Building at the top of Mike's Pass.
A distinctly un-nerving [if you don't know what it is] screeching is one of the calls.
Many cultures believe the noise to be from witches.
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See if you can google calls for Barn Owl. I have heard them in the Berg before. In fact a pair used to nest in the Cathedral Peak Forestry Building at the top of Mike's Pass.
A distinctly un-nerving [if you don't know what it is] screeching is one of the calls.
Many cultures believe the noise to be from witches.
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24 Nov 2010 20:53 #2052
by anthony
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No matter if you are alone or in a big group ones safety can never be guaranteed, the only plus point if you are more that two, is that if someone should get injured one can stay and one could go and summon help.
The best advice i can give is, always be aware of movement around you and if you should encounter people, be polite and humble and then move on.
I have done a lot of walking in the berg with just my wife and boys 11 and 13 and have so far always felt safe and been treated well.
In life there are always risks its how we deal with them.
The best advice i can give is, always be aware of movement around you and if you should encounter people, be polite and humble and then move on.
I have done a lot of walking in the berg with just my wife and boys 11 and 13 and have so far always felt safe and been treated well.
In life there are always risks its how we deal with them.
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09 Dec 2010 08:46 #2084
by BergAttie
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As mentioned the Berg (like any other area anywhere) has its own risks and you need to know how to reduce this risk. After almost 20 years of hiking in the Berg I have had no more than just mild irritation from curios locals and yes at times the interaction was positive and enjoyable. My pointers are as follows:
NNNB! - If you read this in the wrong context you might think the Berg to be a very dangerous and risky place from a crime point of view - this is far, far from the truth - what I have listed here is just basic belt and braces measures to be as safe as possible. It is the 1% bad element that you have to be prepared for. In recent times things have gone relatively well.
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Avoid known smuggling or heavy Basotho traffic passes and routes when you pitch camp - if not possible move out of the valley/sight as far as practical. These passes includes Chainladders, Mweni, Rockeries, Nthonjelana, Bell Traverse, The Camel and Organs, Grey's Pass, Langalibalele, Tomato (not exhaustive since I don't know other areas that well
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Pitch camp late in the afternoon as close to dark as possible to avoid being spotted
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Before pitching camp sit quietly scouting the area for movement, local villages close by - if you spot any, move on and find a better spot
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In summer the escarpment can become quite busy with herders - so winter is the best time to be up there
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Keep your belongings in your tent at night with valuables and especially shoes close to you so that you will be woken if anybody try to snatch it during the night
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If you encounter locals, greet friendly, talk for a while if you can but move on- at imes locals can get sticky and walk with you for miles - this can become annoying - but usually a firm request/instruction to leave you alone will suffice
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Having said all this - 99% of locals are friendly and helpful so be polite and treat them with respect - it is easy to build a negative connotation for them which will make it worse for other later groups over time.
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If you are in real trouble in a populated area (especially on the traverse)make contact with the local chief for assistance and protection - any local will show you to the chief
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Take a cellphone and have the local emergnecy numbers handy
NNNB! - If you read this in the wrong context you might think the Berg to be a very dangerous and risky place from a crime point of view - this is far, far from the truth - what I have listed here is just basic belt and braces measures to be as safe as possible. It is the 1% bad element that you have to be prepared for. In recent times things have gone relatively well.
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