Cathedral Peak security

11 Mar 2013 09:33 #56220 by Scag
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Hi guys,

I am planning a hike and I will be wanting to use Ribbon falls cave (cathedral peak).

Have there been any reports of security problems there(and in the area in general) as of late?

Thanks in advance

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12 Mar 2013 16:32 #56268 by intrepid
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Not that I'm aware of, though good to always check with KZN Wildlife when you sign the register. The smugglers do come down that way and seem to make use of the cave at times judging by the kind of mess I've seen in there. Watch your gear, don't leave it unattended and don't leave it scattered around the cave at night.

Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.

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13 Oct 2015 22:43 #65387 by alan.whitaker
Hi,

I am planning to do a 3 day (or so) hike around 2nd November at Organ Pipes (up Camel and down Thuthumi, or vice versa).

I want to do it with just my girlfriend (she is 25, I am 31) BUT I have become a bit concerned about the Drakensberg security situation after reading a few horror stories e.g. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-148017/British-tourist-Aids-fear-rape-ordeal.html

I am not put off by hassle, theft or even a light beating. What really scares me is the possibility of rape or murder.

My questions are:
1. Are these stories true?
2. Do you have any idea how frequent very serious attacks are? Are we talking once every five years, or five times per year?
3. What is the situation like around Organ Pipes? I have not come across any reports, but i am not familiar with all of the place names.

I will be taking all the precautions mentioned elsewhere on VE, including bringing pepper spray. I would be tempted to bring a knife too, but don't want to escalate unnecessarily.

Your thoughts would be most welcome!

Thanks,

Alan

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14 Oct 2015 00:08 - 14 Oct 2015 06:19 #65388 by intrepid
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Hi Alan, and welcome to VE.

1. That particular article has caused undue concern on more than one occasion. It happened at Long Tom Pass which is in Mpumalanga Province, several hundred kilometers from the Organ Pipes area. Historically the portion of the Great Escarpment of southern Africa, from Limpopo province up in the North all the way down to roughly Xalanga/Indwe in the Eastern Cape has been called the "Drakensberg". Personally I believe this is very misleading as it implies a strong correlation between this string of mountain ranges, whereas the big range of the Drakensberg in KwaZulu-Natal, which is so well known, is more strongly linked to Maluti mountains of Lesotho than anything else. My point being, though the article referred to the incident as having occurred in the Drakensberg, it in fact did not happen in "the Berg" (the true and proper Drakensberg which this site is focused on).

Are these stories true? Yes, crime is bad in South Africa. Do they happen in the Drakensberg? Yes, it has happened, but the occurrence is very low compared to the country as a whole, and the alarm that these stories sometimes cause does not warrant staying away from the Berg, as the risk is actually pretty low.


2. We are talking once every five years, if that. The last time that a rape involving a hiker in the Drakensberg happened was 10 years ago, according to my knowledge. A tourist hiked alone, with little or no experience, didn't even sign the rescue register, and then promptly got lost in the mist and then asked a Basotho shepherd for directions. He led her astray and then raped her. This could have been easily avoided. So, the potential is there, and there are cases of intimidation and threat, but again, the risk is comparatively low. In addition, it happened in the Giants Castle area which has a history of issues which seem to go through periods. 2005-2006 was one such bad period but things have since settled down in that area. There was a mugging this year in the Southern Berg during which the hikers were tied up. This is not the first or second time that this kind of thing has happened in the Berg but they do not occur often.

3. Organ Pipes area has a very significant smuggling problem. Marijunana is smuggled from Lesotho into SA via the hiking passes in this area. This occurs throughout the Berg, but Organ Pipes has comparitively high traffic. In spite of this, the smugglers don't often cause problems for hikers. The problems in the Organ Pipes area have been limited to petty theft of hiking gear (right now I can only recall two incidents in the last 10 years). In addition there have been very occasional confrontations between hikers and smugglers, and if you hike at night the smugglers may mistake you to be a patrol and may fire shots.

The current hot spots are Mashai Pass/Rhino (intimidation and pressure for hand-outs), Sani Pass/Masubasuba Pass area (the same, and now also mugging) and the Amphitheatre/Tugela Falls (an eternal problem of gear being stolen from tents at night). Read through the security sections of the forum and the blogs.

Hope this helps.

Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
Last edit: 14 Oct 2015 06:19 by intrepid.

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14 Oct 2015 10:10 - 14 Oct 2015 12:39 #65389 by ghaznavid
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alan.whitaker wrote: bringing pepper spray. I would be tempted to bring a knife too, but don't want to escalate unnecessarily.

I wouldn't recommend this. Carrying weapons is a way of increasing your odds of having a confrontation. Smugglers will probably have guns anyway - an often quoted phrase comes to mind...

In the recent mugging on Masubasuba Pass, I suspect that if the hikers were armed, it would have ended much worse for them.

Read this thread to get a better idea of Basotho culture: www.vertical-endeavour.com/forum/23-lesotho-general/55284-notes-on-basotho-culture-for-hikers-and-travellers.html

Be friendly, trade some sweets for a taking a photo with them (most of them love seeing themselves on the back of your camera - but some will refuse to have their photo taken), smile and laugh - and they generally won't bother you. Sometimes they will hang around you for a while, don't be rude to them - after all, you are in their country on lands their ancestors have inhabited for hundreds of years. Sometimes they are just bored and/or lonely - many of them won't see other people that often.
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14 Oct 2015 12:24 - 14 Oct 2015 12:27 #65390 by Stijn
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Ghaz, I don't agree with your "sweets for photos system". By all means, be friendly, have a chat, take photos if you like and share some food if it's appropriate. But don't take the stance that you aren't giving handouts and then contrive a situation where you give handouts anyway. You're making the Basotho shepherds sound like circus animals...

Just a friendly piece of advice as to how all of this comes across (to me at least).
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14 Oct 2015 12:37 - 14 Oct 2015 12:41 #65391 by ghaznavid
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Stijn wrote: You're making the Basotho shepherds sound like circus animals...

Just read what I wrote again - that actually does sound rather awful :eek: - wording modified

Perhaps better if I put it this way - someone once told me that every human on earth is the same, they want to be treated as a fellow human and tell you their stories. Sharing food (if appropriate, e.g. not if they are getting aggressive) is a universal sign of friendship. The few locals I have had long chats with have all had very interesting stories (unfortunately I don't speak Sotho, so I can't have long chats with most of them).
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14 Oct 2015 13:44 #65393 by LouisvV
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I recently went up Organ Pipes with my wife and had no issues. We did stop for a quick break and to ease our aching feet in a big pool in the river up on top, after packing up and heading out to our camping spot and looking back, there was a Basotho where we just chilled next to the pool. But he did not came after us.

We could see their sheep and donkey's and could hear them but could not see them, they also did not approach us. Next morning we went back out to the pass at around 6am, we could see their livestock making it back into the valley, but once again could not see any Basotho's.

I don't think their nature is to be hostile, maybe just curios and opportunistic.

You can read my trip report here

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14 Oct 2015 21:00 #65397 by alan.whitaker
Thank you all so much for your replies, all of which have been very helpful. Great forum.

Intrepid, it is very good to have a better (rough) feel for the statistics. I am far more comfortable doing the walk as a result. And I have read your articles on the rest of the forum which were very useful.

Ghaz - yes, perhaps you are right. In any case i would not escalate (or show my option to escalate!) until the last possible moment.

That article about Basotho culture is great. Now i actually look forward to meeting them rather than being scared of them. I really liked the point about the Basotho finding it bizarre that people might ride a bike or walk up a mountain when there are perfectly good horses! Very amusing and thought inducing!

Louis - Thanks for the information. I had already read your report. I hope it is not as hot for me!

Cheers,

Alan

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15 Oct 2015 08:41 #65403 by Viking
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Broadly speaking, the people of Lesotho are extremely friendly, helpful and pleasant.

You'll be hard pressed to receive more smiles and waves passing through a village anywhere else in the world and your chances of receiving helpful information as a tourist couldn't be higher than when in Lesotho.

When it come to the shepherds living in the remote parts of the Highlands, the language barrier unfortunately limits the interaction somewhat - yet they are cut from the same friendly cloth as their countrymen elsewhere.

“Today is your day! Your mountain is waiting, So… get on your way!”
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