Injisuthi security

29 Oct 2010 11:18 - 29 Oct 2010 11:47 #1982 by tiska
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There are at least two tricky bits on Corner pass where these guys would have to pass their contraband down to someone below them. But I don't think these are much of a hassle for people who have grown up in the mountains and who have never been in a lift or on an escalator. In fact their talents are being put to use by the smuggling chiefs. I agree it is easier to wander down other passes, e.g. Langalibalele, but 'security' (if you see what I mean) is obviously a priority for them and the price of hired feet may not be much different on either pass.
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06 Jul 2011 17:14 #3276 by Boerkie
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It is great interest that I follow the Drakensberg security thread.

In my mind I'm starting to form a clear picture of the Modus operandi of the smugglers although they will change this to suit conditions and most definitely from intel they receive from look-outs,scouts, villagers, Shepards and dare I say it,officials. It would be a mistake thinking of these guys as barefoot untrained locals looking to make a "quick" buck. These smuggling trips are planed and orchestrated almost like military operations,with exception to the rule, and probably by ex military trained personnel of either MK or SANDF. I remember a few years ago seeing the ex 32 battalion soldiers sitting on the Lesotho border demanding to be integrated into the new SANDF. This will obviously never happen as any who knows the history of the 32 battalion will know they caused the most casualties on the then SWAPO and FNLA forces.(The now SANDF members) These soldiers were "dumped" in Lesotho by pre and post apartheid governments. I feel sorry for them as I have a world of respect for these soldiers. Now to think that they have to scratch a living for themselves in a foreign country, why not get involved in carrying a couple of bags across the border and again win the fight against old enemies? This might be speculation on my part but I'm pretty sure I'm hitting the nail on the head.

Will the smuggling ever stop? The answer is very easy, NO! It will never stop.How serious is SAPS/SANDF about border control?:laugh: It is non-existent and a joke at best. How serious is the SAPS about combating crime :laugh: sadly not a funny joke but a fact. I mean if I can buy pirate DVD's/Sporting goods etc from every (second) robot in Gauteng in broad day light, how serious is SAP about combating crime? How many SAPS members have been arrested for being part of crime and crime syndicates? Plenty!How easy is it for us hikers to collect intel on the smugglers,however the authorities seem unable/unwilling to attend to this matter.VE can within a matter of weeks compose a full report on the smugglers MO and hand this over to authorities but will they attend to the matter?I will not hold my breath.

All this being said I getting the idea that the crime that effects hikers security in the berg is NOT committed by the smugglers but by a few opportunistic individuals and these probably being shepards or plain straight forward criminals.I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

I can live with sharing the berg with smugglers if we can co-exist peacefully. But make no mistake, try and steal my equipment and I'll come down on you from a dizzy height swinging a what ever "moering" tool I can find.

What would you guys that have had close contact with them say is the average age of these smuggler groups?

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14 Aug 2011 15:08 #3648 by hansenah@absamail.co.za
I am a new member to VE.
Also thinking of a hike to Mafadi end Sept - 4 days & 3 nights - 3-4 persons - would also be happy to join with others for greater safety.
I have climbed up Leslies to within 1.5km of Mafadi but retired back down Leslies due to lack of time.
I have heard it is better/easier to climb Corner Pass to ascend Mafadi & then descend via Leslies.
As I am not a rock-climber, just a hiker/scrambler, can anyone confirm the safety of, & one's ability to scramble up, Corner Pass plse ?

Thanks.

Alan

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14 Aug 2011 15:53 #3650 by Boerkie
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Hi Alan and welcome to VE buddy.

I can only point you in the right direction, look at the bottom of your screen, the grey box, check out "Info on Berg passes" it is an awesome summery composed by Intrepid.

Also check out these threads:
www.vertical-endeavour.com/forum/8-drakensberg-hiking/3545-leslies-to-judge-pass.html#3632

www.vertical-endeavour.com/blog/38-drakensberg/passes/180-corner-pass.html

Stijn has done excellent write-up on passes in the Blogs section.

Enjoy and don't be afraid to ask, this is the friendliest forum on the www

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14 Aug 2011 18:28 #3652 by ghaznavid
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Hi Alan

I know the feeling of getting close, but just not getting there. I have failed to reach Popple Peak 3 times this year!

In mid October I'm going from Injisuthi to Centenary Hut or Bannerman Hut (night 1 - pending me actually doing some research on the hike, I have exams between now and then), from there up Judge pass, summit Popple, Judge, Corner, the Auditor, the Trojan wall and then sleep in Upper Injisuthi Cave, day 3 would be climb Mafadi and Injisuthi Dome (and if time permits, Lithabalong) and then descent Leslie's Pass, spend night 3 in Marble Bathes Cave and get back to the car park on day 4.

My personal research refers to Judge Pass being easier than Corner Pass, it also seems to be more scenic. Ironically Judge Pass was such an obscure route yet there are currently 4 groups on this forum planning hikes that may include that pass!

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14 Aug 2011 21:34 #3655 by hansenah@absamail.co.za
Many thanks for the info. - much appreciated !

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15 Aug 2011 09:45 - 15 Aug 2011 09:49 #3671 by intrepid
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Welcome to the forum Alan.

Corner Pass is scrambly but many hikers get up it. You don't have to be a climber. The current question is just how much snow and ice it has, though should improve by September. There are 2-3 good forum threads on this pass with pictures, should be easily found using search. Lots of reading there, and if you have more questions on the pass, feel free to post them on those threads. Also, due to the popularity of the Corner-Mafadi-Leslies loop, I have bookmarked pages with good info on the area, so go through those links (21 currently):
www.delicious.com/tag/Centenary-Hut-Corner-Pass-Mafadi-Leslies-Pass

Boerkie said:

In my mind I'm starting to form a clear picture of the Modus operandi of the smugglers although they will change this to suit conditions and most definitely from intel they receive from look-outs,scouts, villagers, Shepards and dare I say it,officials. It would be a mistake thinking of these guys as barefoot untrained locals looking to make a "quick" buck. These smuggling trips are planed and orchestrated almost like military operations,with exception to the rule, and probably by ex military trained personnel of either MK or SANDF.

Quite correct. And bad weather / winter does not hinder them either. Smuggling season is in full swing currently.

These soldiers were "dumped" in Lesotho by pre and post apartheid governments. I feel sorry for them as I have a world of respect for these soldiers. Now to think that they have to scratch a living for themselves in a foreign country, why not get involved in carrying a couple of bags across the border and again win the fight against old enemies? This might be speculation on my part but I'm pretty sure I'm hitting the nail on the head.

I have heard speculative, but probably fairly accurate comments, based on various encounters, that individuals from Lesotho's army are involved.

Will the smuggling ever stop? The answer is very easy, NO! It will never stop.How serious is SAPS/SANDF about border control? It is non-existent and a joke at best.

History of cross-border problems in the Berg spans well over a century! It is not quite as easy to control as we might think, but yes, the problem is not taken seriously enough. Cattle rustling is taken more seriously. Efforts are made, largely under the radar of public awareness, with some success stories. Allocated resources and manpower is limited. There are people out there who are trying to do something about it and who take it seriously. But a more realistic expectation for now is that the smuggling will be more contained and slowed down, rather than stopped.

All this being said I getting the idea that the crime that effects hikers security in the berg is NOT committed by the smugglers but by a few opportunistic individuals and these probably being shepards or plain straight forward criminals.I would love to hear your thoughts on this. I can live with sharing the berg with smugglers if we can co-exist peacefully. But make no mistake, try and steal my equipment and I'll come down on you from a dizzy height swinging a what ever "moering" tool I can find.

True, shepherds are more of a problem. However, smugglers have stolen stuff (there was new case about a month ago) and there have been confrontations - particularly around Organ Pipes. I had my own scary encounter years back while solo hiking in the area. Even if they don't do anything to us, the picture that armed drug smugglers are running around these mountains is a very wrong one. But as long as we are not a threat to them, it sort of works.

What would you guys that have had close contact with them say is the average age of these smuggler groups?

Have encountered teenagers, and men who were in their 30s and 40s. Women too. Some are intelligent, friendly and speak English. I'd say the main age range is probably mostly 20-30, difficult to say for sure though

Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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08 Jun 2012 16:44 #54249 by timmyw
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I'm a relative newcomer to hiking, last month my son (15 years old) and I hiked from Injisuthi Hutted camp, up Cataract, and spent the night in the open at the top of a valley at the base of Woman Grinding Corn. We thoroughly enjoyed it (especially sleeping out) and returned back safe and sound (although pretty tired)

We're planning a three day/two night hike at the beginning of July, starting from the same point, overnighting at Lower Injisuthi Cave and then at (or next to) Centenary Hut on the second night.

After spending some time reading through security related posts on this site (and a couple of others), I'm a little concerned, and wondered if anyone had any recent experience of the area or had some advice for us.

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08 Jun 2012 17:21 #54250 by ghaznavid
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Hi, welcome to the forum :thumbsup:

I haven't come across many security issues in the small berg in this area. Quite honestly I spent a night in the area on the escarpment just over a month ago, we were in sight of a Basothu home (which we only saw the next morning), we saw the smoke from their fires and heard their fake jackal calls and everything. No issues or anything, and that was just over the border into Lesotho. In addition to this, during winter there are usually less problems than in summer...

In summary, you should be ok...

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08 Jun 2012 18:16 #54251 by Smurfatefrog
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You shouldn't have any issues around Lower Injisuti cave. Smugglers have been known to use Judge & Corner pass though which takes them past Centenary Hut, they are generally not a problem though. You could also consider your 2nd night at Marble Baths cave

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