GPS units

19 Jan 2017 09:36 #70693 by Rhinoandhedgehog
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GriffBaker wrote: If you are a slapgat sort of person like me, who doesn't like worrying about your gear too much then go for the Garmin.

If you are a man like MarkT who looks after his things and sweeps out his tent after every use then go the smartphone route.


You have no idea how true a statement that is - I sweep out my tent after every use... :lol: (so I know where I stand on the scale) However I take my GPS MAP62CSX everywhere I go (shes 10 years old but does the job so well) I take my Smart phone with Wikiloc loaded and up load tracks and check maps there. I also take my Suuntu watch (for backup on tracks altitude and weather), oh and for good measure my OSMap. It maybe a bit much according to my wife but I have any eventuality covered.:thumbsup: :hike:
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19 Jan 2017 09:47 #70694 by MarkT
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Haha, true that. The CAT phone looks like it combines the best of both, but I'm not sure if it will live up to its marketing hype.
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19 Jan 2017 10:00 #70696 by DesPorter
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I had an old Garmin go through a trip in the washing machine and it came out smiling and switched on immediately. That was replaced by an Etrex 30. Unfortunately the on/off button has disintegrated leaving a gaping hole in the side of the device and I need to use a pen or similar to switch on or off and keep in a jiffy bag when raining. Garmin are not interested and tell me that I need to trade it in on a new model Etrex 30 at a cost to me of R1800. Based on my experience of durability of product and after sales service I would not reccommend Etrex 30.
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19 Jan 2017 10:11 #70697 by ghaznavid
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My 2c worth on smartphones as hiking GPS devices: you need a GPS when it is misty more than any other time - and this is exactly when you can't use most smartphones - especially the ugly combo of rain and mist. As Andrew mentioned, battery life on smartphones is not great either.

I presently don't own a smartphone either, so you aren't the only one Tony. Admittedly mine is more temporary and was entirely involuntary - not a pleasant experience...

I use a Dakota 20, but the battery use is heavier than the eTrex20 (the difference being the touch screen) - the GPS works well, but because of the battery issue, I wouldn't recommend the Dakota 20.
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19 Jan 2017 11:00 #70698 by MarkT
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I looked closer at the reviews of the CAT 60 phone, and now gotta say I'd be worried. It also doesn't use Android which would be a deal-breaker to me.
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19 Jan 2017 11:20 #70700 by MarkT
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Oh weird, Amazon has it confusingly listed as nokia_symbian in the "comparison" section, but then underneath in the Q&A some has clarified that it is Android. The Nokia OS was called "S60" so might be a mixup on Amazon's part.



www.amazon.com/CAT-PHONES-Waterproof-Smartphone-integrated/dp/B01JO9ZF3Y/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1484817479&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=cat+s60&psc=1
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21 Jan 2017 22:22 - 22 Jan 2017 09:57 #70714 by MarkT
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This is a video screencast that demonstrates an Android phone running OSMAnd, with a Drakensberg map loaded as an offline layer.



The layer file is 57MB for a single map, and is stored on the phone. It was georeferenced accurately using the Cape Datum gridlines on the original map, then converted to WGS84 to be loaded onto the GPS, so it's about as accurate as you can get for a scanned image.

Since it displays as a regular layer, when you're actually out hiking there will be a blue dot (current location) displayed accurately on the map. In the video, there is a transparency slider that hides and shows the contour lines (20m interval), along with the other open street map offline data. The POI marks are the GPX data of the caves and passes as copied from the V.E. site. I also posted an overlay video in the Google Earth Overlays thread.

I was also able to export a version that loads in Basecamp, so theoretically it could be used there and maybe loaded onto a Garmin - not sure if the devices support that.

P.M. (direct message) me with any questions! :thumbsup:
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22 Jan 2017 11:09 #70716 by MarkT
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Here's an example in Oruxmaps:

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23 Jan 2017 20:25 - 23 Jan 2017 20:44 #70731 by intrepid
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The current discussions around using phones as GPSes and the various apps to be used, comes at an interesting time for me. There are extensive, forested hills and small mountains close to where I live in Canada. These are great for trail runs, afternoon walks and day hikes. For some trails there are PDF based maps and others described on various websites and forums. However, navigating in extensive forest is not easy, it gets disorienting (something we don't easily experience in South Africa because the terrain is far more open). I actually own and use a proper compass now!

And the local trail network is more extensive than what is apparent on the various maps, along with many "partial trails" and routes that involve "bush whacking". It is on these shorter day hikes and runs that I frequently found myself spending a lot of time trying to figure out the trails, and regularly just stumbling around with guesswork and taking wrong turns. I've even had to catch a ride with a stranger before, having landed up in a completely different location to my own vehicle on a casual afternoon walk. Eventually this led me to discover that Open Street Maps is pretty awesome when it comes to showing trails. The next step was getting this data onto a device to be used out there. This recently led me to the OSM And app, which interestingly came up on this forum too. I am thrilled at the amount of information I suddenly have available on my phone! No more blindly stumbling through the local forests! It seems way more detailed, and is substantially cheaper than a map I had considered buying for my Garmin GPS. It is also extremely useful for navigating through the maze of logging roads and dirt roads in the backcountry here.

As for phones vs a proper GPS unit, I've stuck to the latter for many years, and only just played around a little bit with phones. I am now using OSM And on my Android phone and must say so far I am pretty impressed. The accuracy is pretty good. For example, on one of my outings the maps showed 2 power cables cutting through the forest and the phone was accurate enough to even show under which specific cable I stood. Yesterday my phone was out with me in pretty cold and very wet weather - we started off walking in steady rain which turned to snowfall as we gained elevation. Our shells and packs got soaked. I had the phone in my jacket pocket and took it out several times to check. Everything still worked fine and the phone was easy to use even though the outside got wet (naturally I will be buying a waterproof pouch for it in future). I also find my phone easier to deal with than my GPS, so I haven't bothered plugging OSM into my Garmin yet.

I am not about to say that phones should replace GPS units. I will still be using my old Garmin on long, multi-day and more serious trips. For very rough going and for climbing I'd prefer to use my GPS anyway so that my phone doesn't get messed up and damaged. I will reserve my thoughts on the battery consumption issue until I have more of my own experience to make a comparison. I am excited about the future prospect of a multi-gadget. As it is, I typically carry a GPS, a GoPro, a SPOT and an avalanche transponder - a lot of gadgets, that don't even have compatible power sources! I don't typically carry a phone on multi-day trips because of the limited cell phone coverage in the mountains here. But phones are starting to combine these technologies. It may not totally all be there yet, and if it is, its not fully robust yet, but I look forward to the day when I can carry less gadgets!

Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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