Tents
17 Feb 2015 07:54 #62844
by Stretch
thanks
And the waterhead rating for the base and the fly? i cant seem to find any information on the interwebs
ghaznavid wrote: The 2 man is rather small, but i believe the 3 man is pretty good.
On GT i was sharing it with a 6ft tall individual and it was mostly big enough.
thanks
And the waterhead rating for the base and the fly? i cant seem to find any information on the interwebs
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17 Feb 2015 08:26 #62845
by ghaznavid
No clue - but those stats aren't usually comparable anyway. Most companies have different techniques of evaluating the waterhead of different items.
Only once has water ever come into the tent, it was when the tent was pitched on that 30 degree slope on Bollard Pass - and that is not what any tent was built to do (I guess you do get porta-ledge tents, but that is besides the point)...
Only once has water ever come into the tent, it was when the tent was pitched on that 30 degree slope on Bollard Pass - and that is not what any tent was built to do (I guess you do get porta-ledge tents, but that is besides the point)...
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17 Feb 2015 10:41 - 22 Feb 2015 13:02 #62848
by andrew r
make a difference. today.
Stretch
I spent a few months looking at lightweight 3-man tents suitable for Berg conditions, as I also hope to hike with my sons sometime and I like some space. I really like the BlackDiamond Oasis & BD Vista as well as the MSR Elixir 3 3-person tents, but eventually logic and economics ruled and I bought a 360deg Cool Mountain II 2-person tent from Outdoor Warehouse as advocated by Ghaznavid (and Sabine). Most of my hiking will be 1-2 persons per tent, and for the price of the name-brand imported tents I can buy 3 Cool Mountain II’s. It is fairly light (2.6kg as supplied edit: 2.91kg see details below) and according to Ghaz, if it is pitched well (with some additional guy-ropes and pegs) can withstand most of what the Berg can throw at it.
I have used a CM II for one night at the top of Namahadi Pass in September 2014, carried it, pitched it and slept in it alone and had a great night’s sleep, despite the fact that my waterbottle in the vestibule was frozen-over in the morning. I am 1.86 (6'2"ish) and slept diagonally, because I could. I have not tried it yet with two people, but agree with Sabine and Ghaz that it'll be a tight fit with two adults and their packs.
I don't see the CM II as a compromise except in terms of space. And maybe a bit of weight.
Hope this helps.
Edit: ok, so I weighed the various parts as supplied on a digital kitchen scale as follows: poles 556g (234+232+90), upper+groundsheet 942g, flysheet (only 2 guy ropes) 1145g, pegs (8 off) 123g, bags (tent, poles & pegs) 144g, Total: 2910g plus 86g miscellaneous spares in a bag. So well over the 2.6kg I posted originally. My apologies for confusing the issue.
Interesting to see how heavy the flysheet is compared to other parts.
I spent a few months looking at lightweight 3-man tents suitable for Berg conditions, as I also hope to hike with my sons sometime and I like some space. I really like the BlackDiamond Oasis & BD Vista as well as the MSR Elixir 3 3-person tents, but eventually logic and economics ruled and I bought a 360deg Cool Mountain II 2-person tent from Outdoor Warehouse as advocated by Ghaznavid (and Sabine). Most of my hiking will be 1-2 persons per tent, and for the price of the name-brand imported tents I can buy 3 Cool Mountain II’s. It is fairly light (
I have used a CM II for one night at the top of Namahadi Pass in September 2014, carried it, pitched it and slept in it alone and had a great night’s sleep, despite the fact that my waterbottle in the vestibule was frozen-over in the morning. I am 1.86 (6'2"ish) and slept diagonally, because I could. I have not tried it yet with two people, but agree with Sabine and Ghaz that it'll be a tight fit with two adults and their packs.
I don't see the CM II as a compromise except in terms of space. And maybe a bit of weight.
Hope this helps.
Edit: ok, so I weighed the various parts as supplied on a digital kitchen scale as follows: poles 556g (234+232+90), upper+groundsheet 942g, flysheet (only 2 guy ropes) 1145g, pegs (8 off) 123g, bags (tent, poles & pegs) 144g, Total: 2910g plus 86g miscellaneous spares in a bag. So well over the 2.6kg I posted originally. My apologies for confusing the issue.
Interesting to see how heavy the flysheet is compared to other parts.
make a difference. today.
Last edit: 22 Feb 2015 13:02 by andrew r. Reason: Corrected info
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17 Feb 2015 11:01 #62849
by Stretch
It seems I might be trending towards the cool mountain 2 then....but it must be able to accommodate me and 1 other at least though - otherwise its a pointless exercise. I'm exactly 6ft. Andrew..you say you sleep diagonally - is that by choice? or by the fact that you have to because you wouldn't fit otherwise.
Also gonna go and see what my local camping shop has to offer..the advantage is they are knowledgeable and know what they are talking about...so i could still be swayed in another direction!
Also gonna go and see what my local camping shop has to offer..the advantage is they are knowledgeable and know what they are talking about...so i could still be swayed in another direction!
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17 Feb 2015 11:22 #62850
by Captain
@Stretch: Just an alternative view on the matter. If you're a side sleeper then the length of the tent is pretty much a non-issue. The width then becomes important so a 3-person tent becomes important and the 2-person tent serves your needs as a single sleeper. I use my 3-person TNF Rock 32 if I'm sharing or any of my 2-person tents as a rather spacious single sleeper, as I'm sure many others do. I currently do not own a 360deg CM 2, but in my opinion it is probably the best locally available tent and offers good value. It seems suited to high berg conditions when the weather gets rough.
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17 Feb 2015 11:26 #62851
by intrepid
Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
I think its always a trade-off between budgets and statistical chances of the tent not holding up in bad weather. Based on comments by others seems the CM II can handle a lot of what the Berg does (80-90%?) but I doubt that it can handle everything (the remaining 10-20%). I've heard of even MSR's getting damaged in the Berg. It would take the really hardcore tents like Hilleberg's to be totally sure that the Berg wont get you. As Andrew pointed out, you can replace several CM II's for the price of some of the upper end tents. It all depends on what you consider to be acceptable loss and acceptable risk - will you and your tent partners be OK if you suddenly hear a snap and a tear in the middle of the night? I think the worst the Berg can throw at you is wind. Failure in snow, rain and hail will mostly just leave you somewhat uncomfortable (granted, getting wet in really cold conditions can be very dangerous) - but wind damage is the one that makes a tent unstable or even totally useless. I definitely wouldn't want to camp at the Makhaza campsite on Giant's Castle in the winter due to really savage winds up there - or probably anywhere on the escarpment for that matter. CM II in the summer or autumn, thats a different story.
Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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17 Feb 2015 11:37 #62852
by tiska
I heard that Outdoor Warehouse were not going to sell 360 degree tents in the future. The guy I spoke to said they were being supplied by First Ascent instead. Is 360 degree a manufacturer that supplies specifically to Outdoor Warehouse/Sportsman's Warehouse? I have always thought so. If true, it might be a good idea to snap up some remaining 360 degrees.
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