Sentinel Standard Route

21 May 2013 10:29 #56992 by ghaznavid
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Mad? Go on youtube and look for a Alex Honnold video, anything to do with him and Yosemite is usually pretty insane. He climbs routes that are 15 grades harder than what I do, with ridiculous exposure and he does it without a rope. He is most certainly insane! About a year he climbed Mount Watkins, the Nose on El Cap and Half Dome (8000ft total) in 24 hours, that isn't possible with a rope.

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21 May 2013 11:41 #56993 by tiska
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Are those 'Upper Sentinel Caves' any good? Anyone been into them?

Ghaz - top roping McLeod's is a good way to get safe mileage on Berg rock. There is no substitute in terms of future confidence for Berg rock than mileage on that funny old basalt. Monte will be good for learning rope skills, balance and getting gear out fast but it is very different climbing from the Berg - often a lot harder/more strenuous than the Berg.
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21 May 2013 11:56 #56994 by ghaznavid
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Fair point - and lots of the routes in the Berg that I want to do are easiest to climb via chimneys (Cathkin, Inner Horn, Eastern Buttress etc). The only chimney practice I have ever had was on a door frame at home - nice and slippery! Hadn't thought of the option of top roping in the Berg. Maybe not a bad idea for me to spend a few days around that area and find spots to top rope - the Pudding should have some possible routes, even near the chainladders (with the ladder anchors to anchor a top rope off). Great idea, thanks :thumbsup:

As far as comparison goes, hardest climbing I have done in the Berg would have been the summit gully of Tsepeng Pass, its about a D grade mainly as it was wet. It was a mix of grass/crumbly soil and big loose rocks, about 70 degree slope with a big fall onto sharp pointy rocks (great fun at 6PM with rain threatening). Otherwise Sterkhorn with its grading of C. That route at Monteseel is supposed to be a 9 or a D, but according to the conversion chart a 10 is an E2, so surely a 9 is an E1, but any way. How different is the basalt to climb on vs the strange world of good quality sandstone?

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21 May 2013 14:05 - 21 May 2013 14:07 #56999 by tiska
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ghaznavid wrote: How different is the basalt to climb on vs the strange world of good quality sandstone?


In a word, very!

Monteseel is all about thin holds, off balance climbing from one rail to another and placing gear fast before you get tired. That rock is called Natal Group Sandstone but it is more like quartzite. Its hard and sharp with quite low friction in places. If you get good at Monteseel, you'll have the fitness, strength and rope/gear skills to get out of trouble in the Berg. But it won't make Berg climbing feel familiar.

The Berg *classics* (note emphasis) are mostly on-balance, therefore not strenuous, with very few rails, with rounded holds, with high friction and funny gear placements. A lot of it is making your way up fairly steep, featureless but on-balance rock broken up by lots of grass and grass bands. Its about route finding, keeping your head when the view gets good and not falling off the easy stuff.

If I were you I'd crank up the standard route on the Sentinel then top rope McLeod's till you can do it with your eyes closed. Then have a lead on it if time allows.

BTW, if you can get up a door frame, then stemming up McLeod will be easy. There are nice places to put your feet!
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21 May 2013 14:42 #57003 by ghaznavid
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I guess route grading is an attempt to equate different types of climbing on different surfaces and really isn't that telling. I imagine a granite chimney would be completely different to a basalt chimney, and an E-grade chimney would be vastly different to an E-grade Arete.

My climbing gym membership expires on Friday, and I don't think I will renew it. I think what you are saying is exactly what I need to do - stop "trying to get good enough for the Berg" (like all the climbers I talk to keep telling me - not that they don't do Berg climbing anyway) and darn well get onto Basalt with some gear. I think the things that worry them are the problems I am used to - e.g. thunderstorms, hail, snow, what if something goes wrong, difficult access etc.

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21 May 2013 15:14 #57004 by tiska
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Within the Berg routes, there is however a very useful difference between D,E,F and G. This is actually a very good system of grading for the Berg classics.

But you're right, Ghaz, comparing E at Monte to E in the Berg is not so helpful. Comparing E in the gym with E in the Berg is even more different. Gym does help with technique and strength, no doubt. But it doesn't help with the gnarly stuff the Berg has to offer, with route finding or much with the head.

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21 May 2013 15:16 #57005 by tiska
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ghaznavid wrote: - the Pudding should have some possible routes, even near the chainladders (with the ladder anchors to anchor a top rope off).


but, in general, mind the loose stuff which, off-route, the Berg has plenty of.....

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07 Jul 2013 19:28 - 07 Jul 2013 19:31 #57560 by intrepid
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Landed up doing McLeod's Variation a week ago, after other climbing plans got botched by an ill-timed snowfall. All the recent talk of this variation made me take note of what I placed this time.

Approaching the chimney that is known as McLeods Variation:



The variation starts off immediately with some stemming moves before the chimney opens up into a wider recess where you can stand fairly securely. Before you reach this wider recess, you can place a BD C4 #1 cam (which I used previously), or a Wild Country Rockcentric #8 (ie pretty big clunking hex) which I used this time. I think a cam is better because the direction of pull could wrench the hex out. You don't need to place anything while in the wider recess unless you are feeling really insecure. Thereafter you start the chimney in earnest and the walls become increasingly more blank, needing more and more chimnying technique. About half way up the pitch, on the right (if facing into the chimney) there is a good nut placement. You have to look carefully for it. A BD Stopper #6 worked beautifully for me. Previously Ive commented that this placement was not that great, but this time round my impression was that it's pretty good. Maybe I'm less fussy now. Thereafter the crux begins. I was surprised to see a piton which has now been placed about a meter and a half after the nut placement. I don't recall this previously and it looks pretty new. It certainly makes the crux a whole lot safer! See pic below:



After clipping into the piton the chimney becomes easier as your approach the big chock-stone. You could just go for it and exit to the right without further placements, but you will be happier either throwing a long sling/cord around the chock-stone (even if you are not within direct reach - which is what I did previously before the piton was there), or there are various good cam placements in the crack which splits the chock-stone, if you are right there. I put a DMM Dragon #2 cam in this time.

So all you need is 4 placements. The piton makes a big difference.

The big belay peg is still at the top which I mentioned previously. It has a whole lot of messy tat on it now, and a non-climbing biner, which should actually be removed on second thoughts. I think folk have been abseiling off this pitch. Further away from the peg is a solid boulder which can be slung too. Someone tried to hammer in an iron rod behind it, but its pretty loose.

Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.

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07 Jul 2013 19:45 #57561 by ghaznavid
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Thanks :thumbsup:

That doesn't look bad at all! I need to set a date for doing Sentinel later this year so that I can start getting a team together, it looks like something I could definitely manage the lead on. That photo looks a lot like the really easy route I did at worlds View (where my BD #10 hex got wedged in the rock so firmly that I had to go back the following weekend with a hammer and some ice to get it back out). That photo is right before the crux, right?

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08 Jul 2013 05:48 #57565 by intrepid
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Pic was taken more or less in the crux, looking down onto the worst of it.

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