Berg Alert 2012
28 Mar 2012 10:43 #53342
by Smurfatefrog
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Here's the ECR story www.ecr.co.za/kagiso/content/en/east-coast-radio/east-coast-radio-news?oid=1576421&sn=Detail&pid=6028&Safety-alert-for-Berg-hikers-
"Safety alert for Berg hikers
28 March 2012 - 11:59
By Shaun Ryan
Ezemvelo KZN Wildlife officials have assured tourists and back packers who are planning on visiting the Drakensberg next week that it's safe.
Last week five hikers who had camped overnight in the Amphitheatre region had some of their equipment stolen while they were asleep.
Their shoes and backpacks were stolen from their tents.
Wildlife authorities have urged hikers to use a watch system at night and to remain vigilant at all times.
They say they will continue teaming up with the police to conduct regular patrols.
Ezemvelo's Musa Mntambo says the unfortunate incident was the first in three years.
"As Ezemvelo we will continue sending our field rangers up the mountains to camp there overnight. We also urge hikers, when they are over-nighting in the Drakensberg area, to stay within the vicinity of our field rangers' tents. Also, we will continue with our combined patrol operations with the South African police.""
"Safety alert for Berg hikers
28 March 2012 - 11:59
By Shaun Ryan
Ezemvelo KZN Wildlife officials have assured tourists and back packers who are planning on visiting the Drakensberg next week that it's safe.
Last week five hikers who had camped overnight in the Amphitheatre region had some of their equipment stolen while they were asleep.
Their shoes and backpacks were stolen from their tents.
Wildlife authorities have urged hikers to use a watch system at night and to remain vigilant at all times.
They say they will continue teaming up with the police to conduct regular patrols.
Ezemvelo's Musa Mntambo says the unfortunate incident was the first in three years.
"As Ezemvelo we will continue sending our field rangers up the mountains to camp there overnight. We also urge hikers, when they are over-nighting in the Drakensberg area, to stay within the vicinity of our field rangers' tents. Also, we will continue with our combined patrol operations with the South African police.""
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11 Apr 2012 12:49 #53506
by intrepid
Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
Replied by intrepid on topic Re: Berg Alert 2012
I heard stories about a major dagga-bust in the Cathedral Peak area just before Easter, and here it is. (This explains why the police were flying around in a chopper over the weekend).
www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/police-make-drug-bust-at-boarder-1.1273534
- 920kg of dagga, 48 bags, street value of R1.8 million seized (which was probably carried over passes like Organ Pipes and Tlanyaku)
- Four men (in their early twenties) and a 16-year-old boy arrested, and will attend a bail hearing on 17 April
- They were in possession of a 9mm pistol
- The operation was a joint effort by Pietermaritzburg Equestrian Unit, the SAPS Airwing and KZN Wildlife.
There are no reports that hikers and visitors to the area were affected.
www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/police-make-drug-bust-at-boarder-1.1273534
- 920kg of dagga, 48 bags, street value of R1.8 million seized (which was probably carried over passes like Organ Pipes and Tlanyaku)
- Four men (in their early twenties) and a 16-year-old boy arrested, and will attend a bail hearing on 17 April
- They were in possession of a 9mm pistol
- The operation was a joint effort by Pietermaritzburg Equestrian Unit, the SAPS Airwing and KZN Wildlife.
There are no reports that hikers and visitors to the area were affected.
Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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11 Apr 2012 13:04 - 11 Apr 2012 15:30 #53507
by tiska
Replied by tiska on topic Re: Berg Alert 2012
I wonder where the intelligence came from for this bust. Was it done with spotters on the ground or searching for dagga trains from the air? Most likely this bust will push the trade elsewhere for a bit - Injisuthi again or Mnweni. The trick would be to act quickly in the areas to which the trade has moved. Typically resources for these sort of ops are a once-off which makes very little difference to the trade itself.
Those doing the GT might wish Sani were as close to Cathedral as this reporter thinks it is
Those doing the GT might wish Sani were as close to Cathedral as this reporter thinks it is
Last edit: 11 Apr 2012 15:30 by tiska.
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11 Apr 2012 14:44 - 11 Apr 2012 14:45 #53508
by Grandeur
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(First post here
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Was on a 4 day hike from 15-18 March up Mnweni and down Rockeries. As we summited Mnweni on 16 March late evening and headed to the cave near the Rockeries, we saw a group of about 5-6 men with about 12-15 donkeys each heavily laden with huge dagga sacks heading towards Mnweni to descend around 6pm.
They saw us and called out to us and waved. All very friendly and no incidents.
Saw two more men and a young boy with 3 dogs just after descending Rockeries. Dogs went wild but the 3 men were fine. A bit scary as they were right on the path as we walked past them. They were hanging around an area where a donkey had died after falling off a steep slope near a tributary river... oh the stench!
No sign of more donkeys or dagga though on this encounter.
Was on a 4 day hike from 15-18 March up Mnweni and down Rockeries. As we summited Mnweni on 16 March late evening and headed to the cave near the Rockeries, we saw a group of about 5-6 men with about 12-15 donkeys each heavily laden with huge dagga sacks heading towards Mnweni to descend around 6pm.
They saw us and called out to us and waved. All very friendly and no incidents.
Saw two more men and a young boy with 3 dogs just after descending Rockeries. Dogs went wild but the 3 men were fine. A bit scary as they were right on the path as we walked past them. They were hanging around an area where a donkey had died after falling off a steep slope near a tributary river... oh the stench!
Last edit: 11 Apr 2012 14:45 by Grandeur. Reason: Added no dagga seen on 2nd sighting
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12 Apr 2012 05:59 #53514
by intrepid
Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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Seems like there was a second bust and another 3 were arrested. Police came across a donkey train laden with 28 bags of dagga, 514kg worth R1 million that allegedly came down Mnweni pass.
www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/alleged-drug-couriers-in-court-1.1273892
www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/alleged-drug-couriers-in-court-1.1273892
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12 Apr 2012 09:39 #53520
by Geordie
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OK, Its pot stirring time again:
Are dagga smuggling reports actually valid “Berg Alerts”.
Let me start by nailing my colours to the mast.
Dagga smuggling is a part of the berg always has been and always will be. Incidents between hikers and smugglers are few and far between and in some cases may even have been instigated by over curious or camera happy hikers.
I don’t give a darn about their activities and they give even less about mine. We show a mutual respect and in some cases exchange pleasantries , dish out the odd sweet or headache pill, and one or two have even demanded a photo opportunity.
These are people doing a job, and God knows, anyone interfering with my source of income gets a swift kick up the jack from me.
Yes, their activities are not legal, yes drugs are not good, Yes most of us have seen the effects of drugs and addiction probably even in our own families, BUT this is not the time or place to do anything about it.
If you think this, funny, quaint, smelly, motley crew are a problem, then try messing with their bosses, and their bosses and then you won’t be in a position to do any more messing because you will be very dead.
OK, what am I getting at here; If there is ever a reason for these guys, the regular berg dagga smugglers as we know them, to think, or even suspect that us hikers have any part of raids, drug busts or curtailment of their activities, or the passing on of information, then it’s tickets for future berg hiking for everyone, because there will be retribution.
Live and let live. This is not your local street corner, or your kid’s school, and sometimes it’s not even your country.
The cops and the rangers are out to get them, let them do their jobs. They can do by themselves, with their own reconnaissance.
OK, where were we, "Are dagga smuggling reports valid Berg Alerts"???
I don’t know, let’s chat about it
My worries are:
That we once again become fixated with smugglers and their activities
That hiker’s start feeling compelled to inform/report these activities
Smugglers forming a link between hikers and busts.
Regards
G
Are dagga smuggling reports actually valid “Berg Alerts”.
Let me start by nailing my colours to the mast.
Dagga smuggling is a part of the berg always has been and always will be. Incidents between hikers and smugglers are few and far between and in some cases may even have been instigated by over curious or camera happy hikers.
I don’t give a darn about their activities and they give even less about mine. We show a mutual respect and in some cases exchange pleasantries , dish out the odd sweet or headache pill, and one or two have even demanded a photo opportunity.
These are people doing a job, and God knows, anyone interfering with my source of income gets a swift kick up the jack from me.
Yes, their activities are not legal, yes drugs are not good, Yes most of us have seen the effects of drugs and addiction probably even in our own families, BUT this is not the time or place to do anything about it.
If you think this, funny, quaint, smelly, motley crew are a problem, then try messing with their bosses, and their bosses and then you won’t be in a position to do any more messing because you will be very dead.
OK, what am I getting at here; If there is ever a reason for these guys, the regular berg dagga smugglers as we know them, to think, or even suspect that us hikers have any part of raids, drug busts or curtailment of their activities, or the passing on of information, then it’s tickets for future berg hiking for everyone, because there will be retribution.
Live and let live. This is not your local street corner, or your kid’s school, and sometimes it’s not even your country.
The cops and the rangers are out to get them, let them do their jobs. They can do by themselves, with their own reconnaissance.
OK, where were we, "Are dagga smuggling reports valid Berg Alerts"???
I don’t know, let’s chat about it
My worries are:
That we once again become fixated with smugglers and their activities
That hiker’s start feeling compelled to inform/report these activities
Smugglers forming a link between hikers and busts.
Regards
G
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12 Apr 2012 11:25 #53521
by tiska
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My view is that smuggling is very much a berg alert issue. Given the choice I would rather camp in a valley not used by smugglers than one used by smugglers no matter how friendly they are. I don't go to the Berg to interact with these guys. A compelling additional reason is that these guys usually pack firearms - one of the busts included a 9mm - and there have been incidents involving hikers and smugglers where rounds have been let off. That qualifies as an alert.
Where Geordie makes a vital point is in the last line of the posting - i.e. the perceived link between smugglers and hikers whereby the hikers are thought to be doing the reporting. This is one of the reasons I was interested in where the intelligence for the busts came from. So long as the aircraft are in the sky during these busts I think the perceived connection between hikers and intelligence will be likely overlooked. The truth is that knowledge of the smuggling is widespread. Years ago I remember a conversation with the police at Mnweni (post 1994) when a lot of sniggering went on behind the charge desk when the issue of smuggling was raised. They were well aware but didn't want to go there.
I disagree with Geordie that the smuggling on the current scale has always existed. Prior to 1994 I never came across it and that included 50+ Berg trips. Now, as we know, it is routine.
Where Geordie makes a vital point is in the last line of the posting - i.e. the perceived link between smugglers and hikers whereby the hikers are thought to be doing the reporting. This is one of the reasons I was interested in where the intelligence for the busts came from. So long as the aircraft are in the sky during these busts I think the perceived connection between hikers and intelligence will be likely overlooked. The truth is that knowledge of the smuggling is widespread. Years ago I remember a conversation with the police at Mnweni (post 1994) when a lot of sniggering went on behind the charge desk when the issue of smuggling was raised. They were well aware but didn't want to go there.
I disagree with Geordie that the smuggling on the current scale has always existed. Prior to 1994 I never came across it and that included 50+ Berg trips. Now, as we know, it is routine.
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12 Apr 2012 11:55 #53523
by kliktrak
Replied by kliktrak on topic Re: Berg Alert 2012
interesting perspectives.
The history of dagga and the berg is one tied with the politics of our country also. Have a look at these media articles:
mg.co.za/printformat/single/1995-12-01-theatre-of-mass-action
196.35.74.234/specialassignment/shadowscript.html
To quote:
"It may be impoverished, but the Bergville Okhahlamba area is one of the top dagga producers of the world. The informal economy of the area is based on the sale of dagga. The plant simply needs rain and sunshine to flourish and there's plenty of that around here. Playwright Duma Ndlovu is the author of “Bergville Stories”, a play about the dagga riots in the fifties.
Playwright Duma Ndlovu - " When I was a kid my aunt used to tell me about twenty two people who were hanged by the apartheid government in 1956 I was only two, but the story stayed with me. They were hanged because there was a fight the police had come to raid the dagga fields and a fight ensued and five cops were killed. "
As far as the shared space with us hikers it is an interesting dynamic, and my view is that the greater awareness we have to mitigate risks while hiking, the better.
The history of dagga and the berg is one tied with the politics of our country also. Have a look at these media articles:
mg.co.za/printformat/single/1995-12-01-theatre-of-mass-action
196.35.74.234/specialassignment/shadowscript.html
To quote:
"It may be impoverished, but the Bergville Okhahlamba area is one of the top dagga producers of the world. The informal economy of the area is based on the sale of dagga. The plant simply needs rain and sunshine to flourish and there's plenty of that around here. Playwright Duma Ndlovu is the author of “Bergville Stories”, a play about the dagga riots in the fifties.
Playwright Duma Ndlovu - " When I was a kid my aunt used to tell me about twenty two people who were hanged by the apartheid government in 1956 I was only two, but the story stayed with me. They were hanged because there was a fight the police had come to raid the dagga fields and a fight ensued and five cops were killed. "
As far as the shared space with us hikers it is an interesting dynamic, and my view is that the greater awareness we have to mitigate risks while hiking, the better.
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13 Apr 2012 10:29 - 13 Apr 2012 10:41 #53541
by tiska
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To follow up on Kilktrak's pointers - I fully agree that dope has been part of the picture in southern Africa for a long time. The incident in Mnweni in the 1950s?, for example, is well told in Barrier of Spears.
So, to be clear, the new bit is the vast quantities of dope which come down the escarpment into SA via the Berg passes. This didn't happen before the mid 1990s even if dope was grown both in Lesotho and in the KZN/Natal/Upper Tugela Location. Also 'new' in the case of Mnweni, i.e. since the mid 1990s, is the quantity of dope grown high up the Little Berg valleys - although that has backed off somewhat. Both these issues impact directly on hikers.
So, to be clear, the new bit is the vast quantities of dope which come down the escarpment into SA via the Berg passes. This didn't happen before the mid 1990s even if dope was grown both in Lesotho and in the KZN/Natal/Upper Tugela Location. Also 'new' in the case of Mnweni, i.e. since the mid 1990s, is the quantity of dope grown high up the Little Berg valleys - although that has backed off somewhat. Both these issues impact directly on hikers.
Last edit: 13 Apr 2012 10:41 by tiska.
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16 Apr 2012 19:34 - 17 Apr 2012 05:52 #53581
by intrepid
Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
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My own Berg trip over Easter started off with the news of the major drug busts that had just happened from people we met on the trail, with more detail than what was reported in the media. We were told that things were on high alert and it was suggested we be very careful and that we should avoid leaving gear unattended. And we saw and heard the choppers flying around the Mnweni several times during the trip. So the smuggling was very much on our minds, and we had to consider what to do with the rest of our gear while we were up on the peaks climbing. So in that sense I do see these incidents as a Berg alert. It affected us.
I think the smuggling activities in the Berg are reason to talk about. They are not a reason to keep quiet. It is part of our Berg experience and will thus come up naturally time and again, as much as any other topic does. I think a silence on the topic is unrepresentative of what we go through and see out there. It is vital that we share knowledge, insights and updates with each other. Even discussing how we interact with them is vital. I do not believe this necessarily equates to being a threat to them, nor that it will compel people to start becoming a threat to them. It is primarily about being alert and informed. It is about our safety. Even overseas visitors pick up on the issues and they wonder what to do when visiting the Berg. We all need a place where we can get info on what it is all about, where it is happening, how to interact with them and how to avoid potential problems. That is the spirit in which we should be discussing this.
There is a risk in South Africa that we become too fixated on crime and negativity. I do want to guard this forum from that, but I do not believe we need this right now. In comparison we spend way more time discussing other topics and generally I find the tone on the forum to be positive and constructive.
Certainly I understand and support the concern that they should never perceive us to be a threat. But we are not giving them a reason to perceive that, nor is forum chatter resulting in more busts. The authorities are well aware of the issues and have their own intel. There are more patrols and confrontations that go on than the public is even aware of. The smuggling is also definitely not a secret. Everyone living in the area is painfully aware of it and media reports are pretty blatant anyway. We know it, they know it.
Years ago I wondered off solo into the Ndemdema and Organ Pipes area with little awareness and understanding of what I was walking into. I had several encounters with the smugglers on that trip, some of which really rattled me at the end and led me to breaking off the hike early. There was no forum and I had almost no people whom I could relate and talk to about what I had seen. Since then I've encountered them many other times. Many of the encounters are uneventful with little interaction other than a hello or wave. Some were a bit scary. Others were fun and interactive, even very large groups of smugglers having loads of fun seeing themselves on our digital cameras. The difference now is an understanding of what is going on. And a forum where others have the same experience.
The Berg Alert thread needn't be overly focused on the smuggling, that is not its main objective. It aims to present current information on security topics for hikers, climbers and and any other user group in the Berg. If that at times includes references or reports about the smuggling I think its OK. Let us continue emphasizing and focusing on the good, without ignoring the bad and the ugly.
I think the smuggling activities in the Berg are reason to talk about. They are not a reason to keep quiet. It is part of our Berg experience and will thus come up naturally time and again, as much as any other topic does. I think a silence on the topic is unrepresentative of what we go through and see out there. It is vital that we share knowledge, insights and updates with each other. Even discussing how we interact with them is vital. I do not believe this necessarily equates to being a threat to them, nor that it will compel people to start becoming a threat to them. It is primarily about being alert and informed. It is about our safety. Even overseas visitors pick up on the issues and they wonder what to do when visiting the Berg. We all need a place where we can get info on what it is all about, where it is happening, how to interact with them and how to avoid potential problems. That is the spirit in which we should be discussing this.
There is a risk in South Africa that we become too fixated on crime and negativity. I do want to guard this forum from that, but I do not believe we need this right now. In comparison we spend way more time discussing other topics and generally I find the tone on the forum to be positive and constructive.
Certainly I understand and support the concern that they should never perceive us to be a threat. But we are not giving them a reason to perceive that, nor is forum chatter resulting in more busts. The authorities are well aware of the issues and have their own intel. There are more patrols and confrontations that go on than the public is even aware of. The smuggling is also definitely not a secret. Everyone living in the area is painfully aware of it and media reports are pretty blatant anyway. We know it, they know it.
Years ago I wondered off solo into the Ndemdema and Organ Pipes area with little awareness and understanding of what I was walking into. I had several encounters with the smugglers on that trip, some of which really rattled me at the end and led me to breaking off the hike early. There was no forum and I had almost no people whom I could relate and talk to about what I had seen. Since then I've encountered them many other times. Many of the encounters are uneventful with little interaction other than a hello or wave. Some were a bit scary. Others were fun and interactive, even very large groups of smugglers having loads of fun seeing themselves on our digital cameras. The difference now is an understanding of what is going on. And a forum where others have the same experience.
The Berg Alert thread needn't be overly focused on the smuggling, that is not its main objective. It aims to present current information on security topics for hikers, climbers and and any other user group in the Berg. If that at times includes references or reports about the smuggling I think its OK. Let us continue emphasizing and focusing on the good, without ignoring the bad and the ugly.
Take nothing but litter, leave nothing but a cleaner Drakensberg.
Last edit: 17 Apr 2012 05:52 by intrepid.
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