Hiking stoves
17 Jul 2014 19:44 #61327
by AndrewP
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I would think somewhere in the middle.
Too low and it will never boil. The heat input will all be lost through the sides and top of the pot. Too high and heat is lost around the sides of the pot. Considering that heat loss through the sides of the pot is a complete waste, I would expect the answer to be "boil it as fast as you can without wasting fuel"
If the jetboil is anything to go by, then a heat sink on the pot, coupled with a tall narrow pot, and some insulation around side of pot will make a much bigger difference to your efficiency.
Failing that, in my experience it is better to boil 2 half pots in series than a single full pot
Too low and it will never boil. The heat input will all be lost through the sides and top of the pot. Too high and heat is lost around the sides of the pot. Considering that heat loss through the sides of the pot is a complete waste, I would expect the answer to be "boil it as fast as you can without wasting fuel"
If the jetboil is anything to go by, then a heat sink on the pot, coupled with a tall narrow pot, and some insulation around side of pot will make a much bigger difference to your efficiency.
Failing that, in my experience it is better to boil 2 half pots in series than a single full pot
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18 Jul 2014 18:32 #61333
by ASL #Bivak
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I concur... given general heating loss I would say faster is better. I you want to boil water on the stove at home you would always set to max?
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22 Jul 2014 07:56 - 22 Jul 2014 08:28 #61351
by JonWells
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Last night I decided to do a few experiments to test this, as its something I've also been wondering about.
My stove is nothing fancy, a very basic Campingaz model. I used a 1.2 litre aluminium kettle, and 500ml tap water at 17°C. The tests were conducted indoors, and a digital thermometer probe was used for temperature readings of the water temperature. The stove was weighed before and after each test to calculate the gas usage.
Test 1 - Full Power
5 min 26 to reach 97°C
Total gas used- 7g
Test 2 - Half Power
11 min 00 to reach 90°C ( I stopped the test as soon as the temperature stopped rising, 90°C was the limit for half power)
Total gas used- 7g
Test 3- 3/4 Power
7 min 29 to reach 90°C
Total gas used- 7g
I wanted to do another run on full power to time how long it would take to reach 90°C so that I could do accurate comparisons, but unfortunately my gas was running low, and I was unable to do another full power test.
At least though, I had 3 tests that all used exactly 7g of fuel
7g burned in 5:26 heats 500ml water to 97°C
7g burned in 7:26 heats 500ml water to 90°C
7g burned in 11:00 heats 500ml water to 90°C
These results definitely seem to point to the fact that quicker is better, or at least that there seems to be no advantage in using your stove on lower power to save fuel.
I should also mention that on my full power test, there were no flames escaping around the side of the pot. As mentioned earlier in the thread if this is the case, this could cause full power to be less efficient, so I guess this depends on the type of stove used.
My stove is nothing fancy, a very basic Campingaz model. I used a 1.2 litre aluminium kettle, and 500ml tap water at 17°C. The tests were conducted indoors, and a digital thermometer probe was used for temperature readings of the water temperature. The stove was weighed before and after each test to calculate the gas usage.
Test 1 - Full Power
5 min 26 to reach 97°C
Total gas used- 7g
Test 2 - Half Power
11 min 00 to reach 90°C ( I stopped the test as soon as the temperature stopped rising, 90°C was the limit for half power)
Total gas used- 7g
Test 3- 3/4 Power
7 min 29 to reach 90°C
Total gas used- 7g
I wanted to do another run on full power to time how long it would take to reach 90°C so that I could do accurate comparisons, but unfortunately my gas was running low, and I was unable to do another full power test.
At least though, I had 3 tests that all used exactly 7g of fuel
7g burned in 5:26 heats 500ml water to 97°C
7g burned in 7:26 heats 500ml water to 90°C
7g burned in 11:00 heats 500ml water to 90°C
These results definitely seem to point to the fact that quicker is better, or at least that there seems to be no advantage in using your stove on lower power to save fuel.
I should also mention that on my full power test, there were no flames escaping around the side of the pot. As mentioned earlier in the thread if this is the case, this could cause full power to be less efficient, so I guess this depends on the type of stove used.
Last edit: 22 Jul 2014 08:28 by JonWells.
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25 Jun 2015 15:47 #64389
by Riaang
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Anyone have any experience using the MSR Windboiler stove? Got myself one from Drifters today, can't wait to test drive it on the Berg - hopefully in a windy setting
If I can have the same kinds of winds we had at Giants Castle last week I can also test the stability of the unit - we were crawling along the ridge at one section, wish I could have taken a video as it was hillarious, but unfortunately had to use both hand and legs to avoid being blown over
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01 Jul 2015 14:22 #64444
by Stretch
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I have a meths cooker (the storm one someone posted on the first page). It is about 25 years old and I wouldn't use anything else. I have never had it not light and have used it in snow in winter before.
Only difference is mine cost about R200 25 years ago..so not sure about the build quality of the current R200 one
Only difference is mine cost about R200 25 years ago..so not sure about the build quality of the current R200 one
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16 Jul 2015 16:52 #64567
by Silverthorne
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Hey guys
Does anyone know where I can find 120g isobutane canisters. The smallest I can seem to find is 230g. My fire maple has arrived and I want something small to fit in with pot with the rest of the kit.
Oh and a 2cup boil in 6min @ just over 1/3 setting...
Does anyone know where I can find 120g isobutane canisters. The smallest I can seem to find is 230g. My fire maple has arrived and I want something small to fit in with pot with the rest of the kit.
Oh and a 2cup boil in 6min @ just over 1/3 setting...
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20 Jul 2015 13:19 #64593
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BUMP!!!
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20 Jul 2015 14:37 #64598
by Captain
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Try Outdoor Adventure Gear in Glenwood. I may be wrong but the larger retailers don't seem to stock that.
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20 Jul 2015 16:14 #64599
by Silverthorne
Aye Aye Captain. Thanks
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Captain wrote: Try Outdoor Adventure Gear in Glenwood. I may be wrong but the larger retailers don't seem to stock that.
Aye Aye Captain. Thanks
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06 Nov 2015 12:25 #65684
by spiderkzn
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Hi to all
I'm looking for camp stove for hiking trip. See below link
www.takealot.com/campingaz-twister-micro-plus-gas-stove/PLID32720853
www.takealot.com/camping-gaz-bleuet-206-plus-gas-stove-with-wind-shield/PLID28068759
I want to know if the part on top insert into cartridge and it must stay there till gas finish. Or can I dismount the part and re-use for next evening?
I'm not sure if you guys know the different part that can dismount or it must stay till gas finish.
I'm looking for camp stove for hiking trip. See below link
www.takealot.com/campingaz-twister-micro-plus-gas-stove/PLID32720853
www.takealot.com/camping-gaz-bleuet-206-plus-gas-stove-with-wind-shield/PLID28068759
I want to know if the part on top insert into cartridge and it must stay there till gas finish. Or can I dismount the part and re-use for next evening?
I'm not sure if you guys know the different part that can dismount or it must stay till gas finish.
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